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I hate Apple's approach of doing 70% of the work all the time. If they truly cared about health, they'd make it incredibly easy for any company to add health data in to their ecosystem and not just try to sell more Apple Watches. As a Whoop user, it's so much more beneficial than their basic Apple Watch stats (which btw are fine for most people, I just want more/better HRV data)

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It is easy to add data to Apple health though. You can even do it programatically yourself with the Shortcuts app. There are thousands of apps that integrate with Apple Health.

If Whoop doesn’t, that is surely a choice Whoop made.

Why doesn't Whoop integrate with Apple Health?

You'd have to ask Apple. Probably because they just want to sell more watches

Well Apple Health is an open API that anyone can integrate with. So I'd assume Whoop either A) doesn't want to be modularized, or B) has a data format that doesn't fit with Apple's specification for some good reason.

Oh interesting. I stand corrected then!

I'd guess 2 things:

1) From the less-than-stellar quality of Whoop's app, their data is probably differently formatted and they don't want to bother

2) They want you to stay in their app and use their algos to manage your health data as opposed to Apple's, which they can't control.

You can actually integrate with Health while still also showing it in your app. Health is like a database of sorts which you can choose to add your data to or access from yoUr app. (Similar to HomeKit, actually.)

Right, what I'm saying is that Whoop should, but doesn't. I don't really want to export my data, transform it for Apple's Health APIs and then re-import it. I want Whoop to do that for me. I'd use their App and Apple Health.

You should reach out to Whoop and request they sync their data with Apple Health. This isn't an Apple issue, this is a Whoop issue. The more users who request it, hopefully, the more they'll see the need.

Also, to counter one of your arguments above, Apple Health doesn't do a lot of analysis on third party data short of showing it in charts, so there is still value to using Whoops app for that aspect of it.

As an example, my scale is Whithings, my bed had a Beautyrest Sleeptracker both of these services consume and contribute to Apple Health.

This is definitely a common complaint with WHOOP! Looking into the reviews for the WHOOP 3.0 the biggest piece of negative feedback I could find is the lack of integration with Apple Health. Seems like this is a bridge they'll have to cross eventually.

Or probably people have become vary of companies like Apple and Amazon who are very focused on vertical integration at the cost of killing off the business of their partners. Spotify had to spend decade to reach critical mass of users for it to reach profitability. Apple Music got their much sooner because Apple was able to push it as the default music app.

> If they truly cared about health

It's a company, it doesn't and cannot care about anything other than profit.

A company is just a group of people working together.

It can care about whatever those people choose to care about.

That has nothing to do with the position of the company, though. The employees can care about what they want.

Companies used to serve multiple stakeholders that included, employees who worked for them, communities they were present in, customers they served, etc. in addition to stock holders. Slowly, slowly, the definition of stakeholders has been shrunk and reduced to stock holders and responsibilities reduced to maximizing profit. Of course these stakeholders and responsibilities are being further reduced slowly slowly to where companies only exist to benefit large shareholders and corporate executives.

I am guessing you might be young and may not be aware of history of corporations.

It does. If the employees of the company have a coherent stance on something, that's exactly what the company's stance is.

They need to care about their customers to make profit?!

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