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I can understand private prisons (which make up a small percentage of overall prisons).

However, what will be the solution for people that come into the US illegally, if not temporary detainment?

From the article: "California moved to end the use of private, for-profit lockups in America’s largest state prison system as well as in federal immigration detention centers in the state"

If you wanted a super-duper clear title then an alternate title for the entry here on HackerNews could be "California bans private prisons and _private_ immigration detention centers"

From reading the article, which is slightly unclear, I think they mean that the federal immigration detention centers in California that are privately run - probably by someone like G4S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G4S_Secure_Solutions

They're not banning detention centers, they're banning private detention centers. I was confused at first too.

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If we're going to have free movement it should probably be via a proper agreement, like in the EU. Not a mishmash of contradictory state and federal policies. And it should be mutual - if Mexicans and Canadians can live in the US, Americans should be freely allowed to live in Mexico and Canada.

We should also have standards like the European Union. And one of those standards should be that any country participating should not be run by warlords.

This shouldn’t get downvoted. Freedom of movement in the EU is based on consent. Movement is allowed from countries that have been accepted into the EU after an extended process that ensures that the country’s governance and laws are compatible with those of the existing members. Freedom of movement in the EU bears no resemblance to the non-consensual movement of people that happens in North America.

At risk of godwinning, by this logic the US should never have taken in all those Jewish scientists fleeing Nazi Germany... Or any of the many, many incredible Iranians I've known and worked with in my life. Often the best people are fleeing intolerable conditions.

btw, the Open Borders graphic novel is fantastic: https://www.smbc-comics.com/openborders/

One could surmise that provisions for refugees would be an exception case augmenting a more general border policy. As is the case in the EU, I believe?

The inconvenient truth is that many illegal immigrants from South America are refugees from various US-backed coups, dictatorships, and war-on-drugs fuelled drug cartels. Unfortunately they can't always claim refugee status on these grounds.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_f...

Oh no, we can take mexicans in of course, we just should't have open borders. I would hope that, when the US took in Jewish scientists, there was a mechanism in place to make sure they didn't take nazis disguised as jewish scientists.

We took Nazi scientists too, and they didn’t have to disguise themselves. They built our rockets and put us in space.

> Americans should be freely allowed to live in Mexico

I think they effectively already are.

Releasing people on bond or electronic monitoring?

the solution is the people who wish to temporarily detain people should create systems that do so humanely...i.e.,

* without intentionally separating families as punishment

* without freezing/starving/killing/forgetting people

* without detaining the wrong people because of their skin color

The fact that people want/feel a need to do this does not create a requirement for them to allow anyone to do in in as slapshod a way as possible. The problem you state was created by ICE's behavior, not by California's concern for that behavior.

Its more complicated than one might think.

People presenting themselves as families doesn't actual mean they are families. Do you house men and older boys with women and girls?

> People presenting themselves as families doesn't actual mean they are families.

While that does happen, it's not as common as people think it is. A common statistic cited (and you might be alluding to) that ICE has released is that 30% of asylum seekers are faking family relationships. But that's blatantly false. This statistic comes from a pilot program of running DNA tests on migrants that ICE conducted. What they leave out is it was a pilot program for suspected human traffickers. So it's not 30% of migrants that are human traffickers, it's 30% of suspected human traffickers are actually human traffickers.

they use the threat of separation as a tool...when they stop doing that people can start straw manning in their defense. Until then, it doesn't sound like people lying to them is what they care about.

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