Fears Grow of an Eviction Apocalypse
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I'm not sure about the US but I think you are not kicked out from the first day / first month. For auto-leases, the bank might wait a couple months max; but for houses it's usually negotiable with the bank. For the bank, it's a lengthy process that requires selling the house to recover their capital. It's not something they want to go through unless the economy is super strong and they can sell the house really fast.
Right now, it might be hard to 1. sell the house fast and 2. sell the house at a good enough price to recover their capital. If you are only a few months away from a job you should be able to negotiate but my guess is that some (many?) people shouldn't have gotten into these loans in the first place.
Practically? There's a whole bevy of reasons why this isn't done in practice but the bottom line is it's not in the bank's best interest:
- The bank is likely mortgaging other properties in the area. They don't want the value of the housing going down.
- The bank doesn't want to slow down real estate sales with people waiting on "deals" on foreclosures. They'd just as soon be issuing new mortgages which results in more money coming in the door.
- The bank doesn't want to get a bad reputation. Look at the issues Wells Fargo is having. It's easy to lose your reputation, it's hard to get it back.
In general what happens is the property goes to auction. Because the buyer has to either pay cash or secure their own financing and be able to take quick possession of the property the house will typically sell for 17%-20% below market value.
In this example since you're $150K into a $200K mortgage let's say the house's market value is $300K. It would sell at auction for $240K. The bank will have $35K in expenses and fees and so will cut a check for $210K-$50K = $155K to the homeowner.
In general it's in your best interest to sell the house yourself before the bank forecloses. Let's look at this example again. You sell the house for $300K. Say you have $24K in closing costs, plus there's the $50K you owe the bank. You'll net $226K. That's $71K more in your pocket than letting the bank foreclose.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_threes_(survival)
Additionally the US does have housing programs[1], so I wouldn't call it "completely" overlooked.
This way we are increasing supply and not encouraging hoarding.
I think this is a fundamental problem for dealing with low cost housing issues. Many cities have building regulations mandating minimum sizes for apartments, and requirements for a minimum number of parking spaces, even for apartment complexes close to public transportation. This makes it impossible for builders to build low cost housing. The problem of low cost housing has been around for a long time; the pandemic is just making it a much bigger problem.
Unfortunately, building an apartment complex takes time, and if the pandemic crisis is resolved (for some definition of resolved) in a year or 18 months, the low cost housing problem will just go back to what it was before the pandemic.
Which...yeah, the purpose of low-income housing should be to provide housing that people can still thrive in, no matter their income, not to make massive profits for the real estate or construction companies.
The cities themselves should be footing the bill to make sure their people are well-cared-for. It's already been proven in multiple instances to cost less than dealing with homelessness and its consequences, even if the people they're providing housing for can't pay a single cent (at first).
Broken? Well, as with many things, the problem is that there is a model to start with. No civilized society in my view should have income or property tax. (for the record there are no civilized societies by that definition). In a country with plenty of land, land zoning/restriction should be the bare minimum.
The collective human enterprise is messed up beyond belief.
I was already dealing with a ton of uncertainty, but this one now takes the cake.
Unfortunately, I was predicting something like this while volunteering at the homeless shelter. More people are closer to being homeless than they realize. Little did I know it might be me.
While not what I wanted to do, I'll likely be on the phone with our tenant resource center to find out more once open.
Non-USian here: what's the distinction?
Did your annual lease end and you were leasing monthly?
I'm moving again in a few weeks and I'm not concerned at all. I also moved to a brand new state on April 1st. That was a really weird few weeks for sure but it's fine now. Masks are everywhere, virtual tours or self-show only.
Obviously not factoring in that you don't WANT to move here just saying that if you're worried about the process it will probably be fine apart from possibly having to decide on a place via a Skype tour.
Entering your home without your consent is definitely illegal. You might be able to use the threat of suing over that alone as something to get your landlord to renew your lease (e.g. have a lawyer write a letter about them entering your home without your consent, and offering lease renewal as the "settlement"/alternative to going to court over it.)
Are they really going to throw the guy who stocks their Walmart shelves out on the street? If they do, who will stock the shelves? Who will work the meat factories?
I have come to believe that the ruling elite must on average be low intelligence, or at least incapable of simple reasoning. Personal greed has displaced nearly every other thought. Unfortunately, the stark realization may not occur for another generation; so those who have done the most damage will likely be dead without ever paying a personal cost.
Anyone who can say that their life materially improved is living in walled gardens. For the rest, its peasantry.
We are paying for our lack of social safety net now. There’s enough people already questioning the legitimacy of our liberal democracy.
Having lots of people lose the place they live (effectively making people who have played by the rules and bought into the system) would certainly create a lot of unnecessary instability. Calls for revolution that were actually shared by a big enough population and then gaining steam, calls for civil war, and a fractured political apparatus too impotent to reign it in before it gets out of control.
While that might be part of the problem, how much of it is self inflicted? Even people who can afford to save, don't. They blow all their money on a lifestyle. ATM I am trying to gently advise a co-worker to really start thinking about saving for his retirement. 50 years old and it's paycheck to paycheck (6 figure salary)for him.
Some people create their own rainy days....
The same argument could be applied to companies, and they all put out their hands for government money the instant this pandemic happened, and the government gave it to them (mostly, some small businesses did get screwed in that).
The difference between a company and a person, is that when a company has lost everything, it shuts down. But when a person loses everything, they don't just shut down, they take action, and that action could be violent (especially if they're backed up by a mob of people in similar situations).
It doesn't matter that these people didn't save properly, just telling them "Well you shouldn't have gone out to eat twice a week and saved that money, so you'd have three extra months to survive before you're screwed!" isn't going to make them sit and go "Oh yeah, guess I'm the screw up, I'm just going to sit on this street corner now and not bother anyone."
On the one hand, I agree with you.
Some of this -- no idea how much without crunching numbers -- is totally self-inflicted. People living well beyond their means, not saving, and then ending up totally up the proverbial creek.
On the other hand, I'm a pragmatist.
You throw 5% of the population out on the streets simultaneously, and you will experience entirely new realms of mob violence. Historically speaking, this is soon followed by a regime which bizarrely invests heavily into researching the full depths of human misery. Not good.
There has to be some sort of balance, a way to address the problem, without creating perverse incentives which harm those the system claims to aid (like our current welfare system). Maybe UBI or UBE. Not sure, but it's a problem we are going to have to solve.
Its the same question as why people eat crappy junk food and get obese. Answer 1 is everyone suddenly became stupid and morally corrupt, answer 2 is that their mind is being bombarded with hyperoptimized perfectly honed marketing strategies, carefully designed by very smart people to drive engagement and profits. One needs to adopt a hostile and skeptical attitude to every outside influence reaching you to be able to resist this. Or just shut off a lot of your media consumption, associate with people who value different things etc. But most people won't be able to do this, because once the average person gets ahead of the curve, the marketing machine is already in front of them.
Is that an unreasonable perspective?
I’m much more inclined to blame maladaptive behaviors on systemic failures to educate people and to provide them opportunity than I am to blame individuals.
Sure, in every system with live agents there will be bad actors and those with poor behavior, but when the system is overrun with examples of this, perhaps it’s the system we should be looking at, not individuals.
And then you have massive businesses with massive profits that take all that money and dump it into juicing the stock price, going into debt rather than save a penny for a rainy day...and then, when that rainy (or virus-y) day comes, they come crying to the government for a handout.
Tell me, which of these is more of a "self-inflicted" problem?
So to answer your question - in aggregate, fairly little.
I just want to point out that the cause of the civil unrest is
A) The history of consequence-free, system-wide racist violence in police departments across the US.
B) The violent response of police departments to the peaceful portion of the protests.
Yes, there have been riots contributing to civil unrest as well — some out of a misplaced justified rage, some from various political groups instigating, and some from people (probably unemployed, considering the unemployment rate) looting stores.
But I would still argue that if police had responded differently to the peaceful portion of the protests the riots would have been smaller. And now we are seeing an effect somewhat like that.
I know it probably wasn’t your intention but I think it’s both inaccurate and an easy trap to fall into to posit BLM protests as a source of unrest — they are fundamentally a _response_.
Lastly, as I know this is a charged topic, I’d like to encourage respondents to do their homework (if one hasn’t already) on the various reputable news sites prior to responding or making counter-claims.
While I’m not citing sources a relatively quick search of most of the reputable, relatively fact-based news organizations out there provides support for what I’m arguing, I think.
[EDIT: You could also list the astoundingly incompetent federal response to the coronavirus as another root cause of current civil unrest, IMHO. Along with, if we are being real, the words of a president who clearly is stoking civil unrest as a re-election strategy. I think that’s a pretty clear statement of fact irrespective of ones political beliefs.]
A ton of people who have had homes (in one form of another) suddenly losing them through no fault of their own, especially if they don't have the income to rent anywhere or family to move in with, are not going to just sit and take it, nor should they.
This will, of course, eventually be paid for by the US government. That money isn't free and will continue our entrenchment in stagflation.
You can certainly not give any money out to anyone, and watch as society crumbles, the government overthrown, and a new government put in place. Have fun with that. Might be where we are headed anyway, they just delayed it a couple of months with the one time stimulus check.
I think it still might not happen, but that's mainly because Americans have gotten so soft from inertia and just enough kitchen scraps given to the working class over the years that it'll take a lot to get us to that point. But then again we did just have one of the largest demonstrations of civil unrest in the country in about 50 years, so who knows.
I've made the ironic argument before that Americans suffer from too much stability. Since the economy and currency has been so stable for so long, many haven't bothered to develop good financial habits.
But I suspect many are big organizations that may be less flexible.
Getting less rent than no rent seems a logical choice.
Also, there is no particular reason to believe that jobs will spring back to where they were, if they ever do.
You can't forcibly close the real economy, and expect it to still pay rent and interest as though nothing happened.
Just deferring rent or loan interest hardly helps at all, in fact it just creates a bigger problem down the road, as the article shows.
It must be waived.
[0] https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...
Should we expect new political measures and subsidies?
If so, when will the 'stimulus' end or will it become the new normal?
Will lenders, landlords and tenants negotiate among themselves? Bulk foreclosures and massive vacancies will hurt landlords and lenders respectively.
I have no good idea how the country will look in 3 months.
Agree with your thoughts about evicting, but I'll add that there's an incentive for landlords to keep people in their apartments/houses. A homeless person is much harder to employ. Vacancies will decrease rents. Similarly mass foreclosures will hurt real estate values.
Will they? At least for commercial real estate in large cities where shops are going bust due to high rents, it is often claimed that owners are fine with letting the space stay unoccupied for long periods of time, because they are playing some kind of long game.
On top of that, property taxes are usually based on revenue, so holding property is cheap. I did work for a guy who owned a bunch of vacant lots that paid less taxes than my house. He "rented" the lots to some other affiliated company, who in turn made a bunch of money on parking, etc.
The tiny tear that I would shed for real estate people is smaller then even cable and telephone companies.
The trillions will create continued inflation which will push up rent prices and evictions will continue. Certainly there will be an increase in subsidies and any political tactics, it is an election year.
Lower unemployment and continued pay cuts are trends that will stay in place for a while.
When you rent an appartment or house to someone, your have basically no way to get rid of them. Once every three years you can break the lease ONLY if you make it your primary living place, or your immediate family.
Otherwise your are stuck.
No payments? You are obligated to propose solutions. Evictions take years adheres more years of trying to accommodate the renters.
Vandalism? Nobody cares.
You are on vacation and your house us squatted for more than 48h? You cannot get back without a special permission from the court. It will take some time for your primary house, and infinite time for a secondary one.
So there should be something in the middle.
Some people don’t believe in ownership of ideas (patents)
Some people don’t believe in ownership of authored data (copyright)
Some people don’t believe in ownership of large swaths of land or lakes, resources, including houses etc.
Most people believe in enforcing chattel property.
But as you get further from that, you need an organization and laws to enforce it. At some point the right to property must be balanced against other rights, eg the right of a squatter to have shelter from the elements vs the right of a landlord to enforce rent over 50,000 properties.
>Ancaps should understand...
Likewise, actually reading some of these arguments would help you understand the positions advanced by anarcho-capitalists.
https://cdn.mises.org/qjae2_4_7.pdf
https://cdn.mises.org/22_1_23.pdf
There are various positions. Generally most disagree with the concept of intellectual property as it is now.
There are some who would disagree that property as in land can be owned outside of the ability to utilize it. Many point to the first principle of ownership stemming from utilization and improvements upon the land.
Generalizing about ancaps is a difficult proposition. "Herding cats", is an apt description. However your final statement seemed divorced from anything advocated by anarcho-capitalists.
There are real pragmatic concerns about advancing anything outside of the current paradigm. Even within the narrow confines of what is possible with the current system, we see deadlock and endless bickering.
At the end of the day reading political philosophies can be interesting, but not fruitful in the real sense of bringing about change. Just the same, misconstruing the arguments advanced within these philosophies isn't helpful.
Hard to predict in any case, but if the virus gets worse the economy will get even worse.