Fatness and Thinness in the Middle Ages
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One thing to note is the way people acquiring body fat was somewhat different. They don't consume sugar and highly processed food. They eat a lot of normal foods. They have body fat but often strong and muscular.
Maybe not fatty (I couldn't say either way), but definitely carby. It's possible that Vietman's single most recognizable cultural export is rice noodle soup.
Wouldn't a sufficiently nourished body look strong? Plenty of lean muscle mass, low body fat?
You can’t get muscle unless you move.
Paper and wood pulp are carbohydrates, but you cannot get any energy from eating those.
Petrol is 12kcal/g, more calorie dense than fat at 9kcal/g, but you can't get any energy from eating it.
"Ah, I mean the digestible things" I hear you say; well then - we've already established that "a calorie is not a calorie" if you need to add exceptions. But, with this exception:
Different kinds of foods have a different calorie extraction/absorption profile. paper/petrol have 0; pure sugar has 100%, most things defined as "food" are high on that scale, but usually not 100%; It also takes nontrivial energy to digest some foods. This is often lumped up into "atwater factors", the values of which seem to vary by 20-80% among different individuals and the same individual at different times.
The statement that "a calorie is just a calorie" is incredibly useless in the context of human metabolism.
Not true. There's a difference between complex carbohydrates provided by fruits, vegetables meat and other unprocessed food. Simple carbohydrates like are shorter and break down faster providing less energy per food unit consumed. Complex carbohydrates are longer and take longer for our bodies to breakdown giving more energy over a longer period of time.
That makes massive difference in bodyweight management.
Also satiety, ability to stay active and normal mood is super important for your ability to keep bodyweight and diet. One problem with focus on calories is that it ignores other human needs and other nutrients body needs and make it impossible to keep up long term.
The same goes for rats. Give them all they can eat of bland nutritional rat pellets and they’ll maintain body weight. Give them Doritos and McDonald’s, on the other hand, and they’ll gain weight like crazy.
It should be a surprise to nobody that capitalism has optimized junk food to be as addictive and non-filling as possible.
Yes, but they will also get sick from malnutrition. They will also become passive, unable to fulfill their job and family responsibilities. They will also have hard time regulate their mood.
There is unstated requirement in loosing weight game that should be more prominent I guess: "while not making that person much more sick and dysfunctional"
It stops being bland once you start putting there everything you need - including some salt that you actually need.
Moreover the make you fat still improvement over past when people were getting sick from this or that missing in food. Not just because hunger, but because people did not knew what everything is needed.
The history of dietary guidelines is quite interesting in that regard, there were sicknesses that are basically forgotten by now that were due to something missing in food.
They're very starchy and high in carbs, and very low in protein.
So you can eat tons of them and still not feel full.
Sources: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Petocz/publicatio...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01956...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01956...
It could be that potatoes make you feel full short term, but people who overeat in the first place, left to their own devices, will eat more than they should
In your first linked study for example, they say the participants were given isoenergetic portions and then saitery was measured 2 hours later, it wouldn't be surprising if that wasn't representative of longer term weight loss
If you reach satiety your body and brain won't want to eat more.
If you are sick of something, you will just switch to something else.
In fact I had to consciously eat many more calories per day, in calorie dense foods, just to not lose weight and become weaker.
It just sounds nice to say “you’re fat because you eat a lot of candy” but when I was In the track team we ate at all you cam eat pizza buffet every weekend
That doesn't mean each calorie in what we call 'food' is as accessible to the body's metabolic processes as a calorie in other food. If i wrap a pellet of food inside a non-digestible shell, it will still burn in a bomb calorimeter or will still have about the same caloric measurement in constituent macro-analysis.
This doesn't mean calories are a useless model of energy uptake from foods, just that they are not perfect.
We also have to take into account that the food industry has not been exactly neutral with regards to this metric. If calorie counting is a thing, then they will game the imperfectness of the metric in any way possible to get the desired 'low' score on the label while still maximizing your addictive consumption cravings regardless of how fat it will or will not make you. So we can/could expect the 'calorie' as a unit of measure to become less and less acurate as a result of this gamign of the metric.
But, again, this still doesn't mean that there is no relation between food intake, energy expenditure and weight gain as some would like to portray.
If your consumption pattern is making you fat, reducing consumption while changing nothing about the diet composition or timing (yes, when and how you consume also has an influence on your metabolism) will still make you gain less weight or even make you lose weight depending on the ratio change.
The reason that previous obvious statement is still vilified is that there is an enormous industry around consumption and managing consumption. It is not by coincidence that the advice from last century about consumption moderation 'eat less' has largely been replaced by an 'eat different' message.
Finally, there is an enormous hypocrisy in creating a 'market' system that evolves through rewards the most ferocious and amoral predators that can push whatever 'food' optimized for maximal consumption addiction, and then turning around to the 'consumer' and proclaiming 'personal responsibility' and 'moderation'.
This antiquated trope is like HSV; it just won't go away.
Edit:
To clarify; consider the effects of {hypo,hyper}thyroidism, which include weight-gain and weight-loss, respectively. Regardless of diet.
Now consider the fact that what you eat affects how the endocrine system functions, similar to how thyroid disease wreaks havoc with it.
That's just one example, and I'm no expert, but have read some books on the subject. Another I vaguely recall is the pituitary gland getting damaged or otherwise malfunctioning causing uncontrolled weight-gain regardless of diet.
It's these edge cases of malfunctioning human bodies that helped illuminate how its energy storage is moderated with hormones. It didn't take much to confirm different foods trigger different hormone responses once scientists knew what hormones to look for.
I've written it down in some more detail, including why it might feel like it what GP says (summary: many people consume way more calories than they use, but they mostly leave the body undigested and when they cut down on calorie intake they doesn't cross the threshold you mentioned.)
Here's my attempt at explaining it a few months ago: https://erik.itland.no/dieting-a-small-but-important-detail-...
No, AIUI there are metabolic syndromes where instead of losing weight, they'll just get sicker and die, even while gaining weight.
My understanding, based on stuff I've read and talks by the likes of UCSF's Lustig on youtube, is that in some cases people can be effectively starving themselves to death internally while gaining weight eating a normal diet because most the energy consumed is being stored in fat. When you lower the caloric intake, they don't lose weight, they just keep getting sicker and can eventually die without the appropriate hormonal medication.
If memory serves, one extreme example of this was a young girl with a small brain tumor whom after having it removed started putting on weight with nothing changed in her diet or lifestyle, no matter what they changed she wouldn't stop getting fatter - she just got weaker/sicker if they removed calories, while still getting fatter. They determined a region of her brain was damaged in the operation, IIRC it was the pituitary gland, and started medicating her with the necessary hormones to take its place and everything was back to normal. I'm pretty sure it was covered in one of the Lustig talks on youtube.
These are really fascinating failure modes that illustrate how the body has complex control systems for energy storage and energy release. The orthogonal thing to appreciate is that what foods you consume influence these control systems without removing the relevant organs. We can look at the extremes of brain damage and organ removal to see how the hormones have the final say over where the energy goes for better or worse. The more complicated part is figuring out which foods have what effects. Currently fructose seems to be the primary concern. A calorie is definitely not a calorie; fructose calories appear to be toxic.
Just watch a talk by Dr. Lustig, literally any talk will do. This one is pretty recent, and while it's more focused on linking sugar with cancer it still touches on the same general information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpNU72dny2s
My bandwidth is severely limited where I'm at, so I can't easily go digging through youtube videos to find the other I mentioned with the brain tumor patient. All of Lustig's talks have been insightful in the past however FWIW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leblouh
https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a3513/forcefeeding...
* I'm the one who feeds our cats. And they also end up losing weight when I'm on a cut, even though I didn't intend for that to happen.
* I randomly find myself surfing Japanese euro-foods photos on IG, creating screenshot collections on my phone, and sending them to family members who love food.
* I have to act more like the traditional/archaic effeminate archetype or I'm screwed--I have to compensate for the harshness somehow. So I'll spend more time making art, listening to music I like, going easier on my body, loving on pets, etc.
Anyway...you got me smiling, thinking about this stuff. Thanks.
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That is pretty interesting! Do you think it is pheromone based, aesthetics, other root causes?
It’s a funny interplay with stars that they shape their appearance to fit societal expectations but at the same time shape them.
The traditional Polynesian diet is quite healthy, fresh fish, root vegetables like yams and taro (as well as their leaves), and coconuts. You have to eat a lot to get fat eating that kind of food. One thing I noticed when travelling Fiji (not geographically Polynesia, but culturally) is that outside of the cities this kind of diet is fairly common, and obesity is a lot less common.
Most Samoans and Tongans I know back in New Zealand have terrible diets. They basically eat white bread, tinned spaghetti, corned beef, instant noodles, and rotisserie chickens. I had a mate who would for dinner would put back a whole chicken and 5 packs of noodles; or a loaf of white bread, 2 tins of spaghetti and a tin of corned beef. He worked in demolition and did boxing as a sport, so he burned the calories, but it was completely lacking in proper nutrition, just carbs and sodium.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/i-have-seen-so-many-fune...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2008/03/20085251...
The American obsession with thinness means that some women can "cure" their fertility problems by gaining five pounds.
Or it can be because the way our bodies are portrayed in media and fashion world?
My sister had serious fertility problems. She read many articles on the topic over the years and we talked about me possibly serving as a surrogate for her should she be simply unable to have a child of her own. She forwarded me some portion of those articles, so I am somewhat well read on the topic of fertility issues for American women.
It takes about 25,000 stored calories to support a pregnancy. Being underweight suppresses ovulation. Anorexic women can outright lose their periods.
I suspect this fact probably helped women pass themselves off as male soldiers and male pirates historically. Such professions are pretty physically demanding and I suspect it may have caused a lot of women to have fewer periods or no periods while passing themselves off as male, thereby helping them to hide their gender.
My oldest son has pointed out that we are probably underestimating the number of women who did that because, by definition, those that fully succeeded were never identified and died as male. A recent-ish story supports that suggestion.