Don't yell at waitresses. You look like a jerk and it blows investments.
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By way of an anecdotal example: I know someone whose father thinks there is nothing wrong with clicking his finders and yelling "BOY!" at a waiter to get their attention. Except in Italian places - there it would be "Luigi" rather "boy". I bet he consumes a lot of spit when he goes out for a meal...
For many reasons many people out there are dicks. I might well be one of them if I'm honest with myself, though not one of the worst by a long shot. And if you work in retail or catering you are likely to meet far more than your fair share of them. Remember: most workers in a shops or restaurants deal closely with far more members of the public in a day than most of us encounter closely enough to notice in a year.
I'm assuming you meant "such people exist", but if so, that's probably the most accurate typo ever :)
Nearly all waiters/waitresses I've ever come across in restaurants have been fine or better, and the people in my local Chinese and Indian takeaways are really, really friendly.
But Dominos and Pizza Hut drivers? Eugh, they're all (and by "all" I mean "all who work in the two shops near where I live) really grumpy and sometimes even rude. If I order a pizza, there's a 50% chance I'll have to actually concentrate on not yelling at them. I've twice felt the need to complain to the Dominos franchise owner about a driver, something I've never done in any other industry, not because I wanted to get back at the driver, but because the service was genuinely so poor that I felt they deserved to hear from me. For example, if someone orders a Pizza for delivery, the driver should try and deliver it, not just decide that ringing the bell is too much hassle and that it would be easier to leave the pizza outside the door getting cold.
Probably just a coincidence, but an interesting one.
Perhaps its only the crazies that can stay with the job for more than a short while.
this is an excellent anecdote, lucky the waitress f'd up.
It's more enlightened self-interest or utilitarianism than categorical imperative, but the gist is the same. Don't ignore the people you foolishly regard as unimportant.
To quote from the other end of the spectrum,"The people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances, we guard you while you sleep. Do not f--- with us."
It's about not being a dick.
Most people understand this just fine - you don't be a dick to the CEO or the Venture Capitalist because you're not a dick. You don't be a dick to the waitress or the janitor because you're not a dick. It's pretty easy.
_Some_ people though, have to work hard at not being a dick to the investors 'cause there's something in it for them, and don't bother working hard at not being a dick to waitresses. The only reason they have any trouble with it is because they _are_ dicks.
And as the article and a lot of these comments point out, other people _do_ notice.
That's true not just with waiters, but in many service situations - for example, in Oxford (a fairly small city with fairly low numbers of taxis required) a lot of the drivers know me, and when I call for a ride it takes a taxi, in my experience, roughly half the average time to arrive, simply because the drivers on duty know that I will be a pleasant customer and a good tipper.
Getting better service shouldn't be a neccesary reason to treat people well, but it's certainly a nice bonus.
I don’t hire people who have to be told to be nice. I hire nice people.--Leona Helmsley
Nobody's "least valuable" unless their entire existence seems to serve to act to the detriment to absolutely everybody around them.
My first thought on reading it was: is that equivalence valid? A society is a collective; a collective functions at the behest of its members. My experience of human nature suggests to me that society will contain members who both are and aren't kind to "less valuable" members. So can, or should, a society enforce kindness towards them, even against the members who are disinclined to be so?
Another related question: should we measure a society's value by its total accumulated success, or the success afforded to its "less valuable"?
I don't claim to know the answers.
The HDI tries to evaluate that, check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality...
Total accumulated success is easily shown to be a false measure with a thought experiment. Consider two thousand-person communities, one full of middle-class professionals, and one with a single multi-billionaire and the rest are all downbeaten impoverished workers. You'd have to be pretty crazy to suggest that the one with widespread crushing poverty is a better society.
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Second, OK, so excuse may be the wrong word - but I disagree that it doesn't say something (negative) about a person who puts him self in a situation where he will be yelling at waitresses.
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This is where you are losing everyone. A mistake is forgetting your keys or making a math error on a spreadsheet. Treating someone with no respect, hitting someone, etc. Are not "mistakes".
When getting into business with a partner, you need to know how they will deal with stress. If this person does not deal well with stress when faced with a little sleep deprivation, especially over something as simple as coffee, then it's a huge red flag.
Imagine that it's crunch time, you're all running on minimal sleep, and you're trying to get a demo perfectly solid so you can either get your next round of funding or sell to interested parties; i.e., there's a lot on the line.
Do you really want this type of person shrieking at everyone in the room because they're not typing fast enough? Do you think that's going to help you and the team?
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In other words, I find it more helpful to call out specific behavior as inappropriate than to write off the whole person as a "jerk".
And I certainly wouldn't claim to abide to a higher than average moral standard, I've been rude to my friends and to people I dislike. But not to my colleagues, not to strangers and not to people working indirectly for me (i.e. waiters etc.)
It is quite possible that in the future I might be rude to a waiter, but that would be the exception, not the rule. So yes, it's possible that if you judge someone of a single incident you might have caught the one in a thousand occurrence, chances are against it, far more likely is that you're seeing their normal behaviour.
My point is that it is not helpful to think of people as "jerks". I actually think it can promote rude behavior to label people "jerks" because people may justify to themselves that it's okay to be rude to a "jerk".
Very few people get that far. I think there's only one person whom I would call a "cunt" genuinely rather than endearingly, and that's my former boss. He was rude to colleagues, both below and above him, to friends, to waiters, to his girlfriend, and even to clients. I hated the two years I spent working for him, and there is nothing he could do now to change my opinion of him. Thankfully I haven't spoken to him in almost a year, and most likely never will again.
One person I used to be enemies with - for a few years we hated each other and were horrible towards each other whenever our paths cross (in my head he was at fault entirely, and I know he feels the same way) now works for me full time. Because of his talent I overlooked our relationship and gave him the break he needed, and in the 18 months since then we've had a great working relationship. Now I wouldn't say a bad thing about him.
The above is a drawn out way of saying: it is possible, if perhaps not common, to label people without it having negative consequences.
Actually, re-reading, your words were that if you label someone negatively, you're more likely to treat them badly. That may be the case, but for me, I'm no more likely to be rude to someone I label a jerk as someone I don't label a jerk, but that I notice acting like a jerk. The label isn't something I decide to add because of something, it's a connection my brain makes automatically - unless there is evidence that someone is not a jerk, there isn't a difference between them acting like a jerk and being a jerk.
(Written from my phone in bed so won't re-read what I just wrote, hopefully it makes at least a little sense.)
I then imagined myself as the entrepreneur, staring down into his coffee on the table, pondering the deal. I don't think I would've had the same visual response with a stock photo of a coffee cup. Not sure if that was your intent, but good job either way.
I'm glad you're dedicating yourself to proving them wrong.
Looking through the rest of your blog, the visual design is really well done, in an understated way. If you felt like expounding on this sort of thing, I'm sure you'd find an enthusiastic audience.
(Scoble talks about why Buck's is a landmark of SV: http://scobleizer.com/2010/10/04/silicon-valley-places-that-... )
Figure out the mistake and help them to correct it. If you're impressed by who someone is and that sort of thing then don't do it because you never know where they will be in 5 months, let alone 5 years.
If you're just a decent person don't do it because it's disrespectful and you bring disrespect to yourself by treating others that way. It also shows you to be out of control with your emotions.
One of the things that struck me most in the past few days was while waiting in line to get into Hipmunk party @ SXSW to see Alexis outside handing out bottles of water. Out of all the people I've met, ideas tossed around for startups, everything @ SXSW, Alexis had the most impact on me in terms of his dedication to helping people out.
You should thank the investor for giving you another obvious sign to warn you away.
A person who is nice to you but rude to the waiter, or to others, is not a nice person.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2006-04-1...
You can learn a lot about a person by the way they drive and they way they eat lunch (esp interacting with service people).
It's an absolutely remarkable character test! Useful when dating someone, interviewing someone or any number of other scenarios. It baffles me that people treat others in such a rude and public way - and moreover, it's stunning how frequently it occurs.
I think these type of behaviors are deeply set. They can be changed, but I think it is more likely that the investor learns to be more subtle when discussing with an investment target, rather than actually becoming a nicer person, which requires a real change of character.
Maybe, over time, this will resonate with him, when he sees other people's reactions when this happens again. If not, you've done all you could.
Not to rub it in, but on the chance that this might lead him to redemption.
Even better though, is when you meet truly kind people, it is a surprise and pleasure to work with them.
Also, "people suck" includes yourself, so you can think about it as a way to think about what you are saying and doing and see if it is up to a level of quality that you are comfortable with.
That doesn't sound like a smooth talker, it sounds like a tacky sleazeball. Great story, though.