Helium shortage has ended, at least for now
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So... absolutely no recapture of this used helium? I wouldn't be throwing stones at party balloons. Seriously, the concept of helium as a disposable gas is the root of the entire price problem. Hopefully the price will rise to the point that capture and recycling become more cost effective.
>>A new, $110 000 liquefier at the University of Idaho is expected to recycle most of the helium needed for three NMR magnets, an electron paramagnetic resonance magnet, and a Mössbauer spectrometer, says Blumenfeld. As an added benefit, the new machine will enable the university to purchase its helium in gaseous form instead of liquid, for a substantial cost savings, he says.
110K? That is dirt cheap for nearly any industrial process. Industrial baking ovens can cost more. Why are such things not standard with every device needing substantial amounts of helium.
I'm in a huge research university and I am only familiar with one group that has a liquifier and it's because they move through Helium on the kiloliter scale.
This is the tragedy of the commons for climate change all over again: individually, we profit by polluting as not doing so involves a cost; societally we win overall by changing our behaviour collectively. A helium liquefier and recovery system is exactly the sort of thing a competent departmental head should support.
Because unlike food and family, helium is a finite resource. Once it is released into the air, it is gone. It will float up and literally into space. By protecting and conserving it now we won't have to panic once it becomes truly rare.
(Not kidding about into space. The helium in those party balloons really does leave the planet.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape
Is there a need to preemptively conserve? As it becomes rarer, prices will increase which will naturally encourage conservation. At the same time, new supply will come online as they become economical due to the higher prices.
I hear this around energy most often. Oil is becoming more and more expensive ($$ and energy-wise) to extract (I find the best way to look at how many barrels of oil are extracted for the energy cost of 1 barrel). This number has been falling ever since the first well was tapped. We have used up all the "easy oil" and moving on to things like fracking which, environmental damage aside, does not have good returns and some of the major drill sites have adjusted their predicted yield down sharply (also fracking sites have a steep fall off where normal wells have more of a bell curve). The problem is: we have no viable substitute for oil (/gas). The world runs on oil.
Solar is great but you can't put it in a tank or ship across the ocean or fly and battery tech isn't really close to closing that gap. You also can't make plastic from solar energy. Not to mention converting all our cars, trucks, etc to battery-powered is not a fast or cheap process. I highly recommend watching these videos on Energy Economics [0], Peak Cheap Oil [1], and Shale Oil [2] (aka fracking).
All of this to say, I think it's dangerous to assume that we will have the time (or money) to reverse or halt the loss of non-renewable materials. Especially since if any of these start to get really expensive due to lower supply/higher demand it will kick off a number of other issues. If the price of oil spikes that affects a ton of our economy from gas, to plastics, and more.
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvqEi7XRKY8&list=PLRgTUN1zz_...
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKihKkx0eY&list=PLRgTUN1zz_...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKihKkx0eY&list=PLRgTUN1zz_...
Carbon Recycling International already operates a commercial methanol plant for making methanol using renewable electrolytic hydrogen and carbon dioxide.
This article "Process Advantages of Direct CO2 to Methanol Synthesis" has a lot of details:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fchem.2018.0044...
Methanol is a portable liquid that can be used directly as a fuel. It is also convertible to the olefins (alkenes) propylene and ethylene, the two most common plastic feedstocks. China has built millions of tons of capacity for methanol-to-olefins in the past decade, though unfortunately their input methanol is mostly produced from coal.
See e.g. this recent plant that came on stream: "World’s largest single-train methanol-to-olefins plant now operating"
https://www.chemengonline.com/worlds-largest-single-train-me...
Helium is one of the very few mineral resources that is simultaneously industrially important, scarce, difficult to substitute, and exhibits poor prospects for higher sustainable terrestrial production.
The other few elements in this small club are (IMO) the platinum group metals and rhenium.
(I'm semi-joking.)
Not directly. But what about using it for hydrogen production?
Helium is only a finite resource at this price point. We could extract harder to get to reserves, or even make our own by fusioning hydrogen, if the price was high enough.
The price of natural gas is going lower and lower (and with strict environmental laws, might go even lower as companies move to other energy sources...
How close are we to the value of helium being greater than the value of the methane?
Probably pretty far away.
I'm guessing that the amount of helium that's recovered from natural gas wells is pretty small compared to the natural gas recovered.
Even if no one uses it for power, there's still home heating, vehicle fuel and plastic feedstock.
Methane is a primary input for nitrogen fertilizers.
(arguably the input, as the nitrogen comes from air, which (obviously) is readily and abundantly available.)
Yeah, it can't have been a real shortage if they were just letting it boil away.
Also market prices rising with demand don't themselves increase supply, again not instantly anyway. It doesn't matter how high the prices goes, if there is insufficient supply to meet the demand some people will be priced out. That's not even got anything to do with markets and certainly not a market failure, it doesn't matter how allocation is determined, not everyone will get what they need, at least for a while.
Nobody cared when it cost $0.50/l. They do when it’s $5/l.
Do you perhaps mean twenty years ago?
That depends on both time period and location.
In the late 80's I worked in a physics lab in the US that had an old helium recuperation system installed (as gas, I don't think they had a liquifier) but it wasn't in use, we just boiled off 100's to 1000's of liters each week. I assume it must have been used at some point in time though.
In Europe helium has traditionally been much more expensive than in the US (not sure about the situation currently) and I think many labs recovered it. At CERN all the helium was reliquified, except for one time when the liquifier broke down and they boiled off about 20000 liters testing LEP superconducting RF cavities.
Running like that all the time seems unconscionable, but it makes a lot of sense as a backup while the primary is down for repair, as a very cheap-to-install but wasteful-to-run system that would be appropriate for short durations only.
I think they might've been running a Freon loop with the condenser in tap water, to achieve higher thermal delta and just skip the enormous radiators and fans.
They're generally on top of the building, and they kinda look like generic air conditioning units. https://www.munters.com/en/munters/products/coolers--humidif...
Whether or not that's wasteful really depends on where exactly it's happening. If the city water is being pumped out of a fossil aquifer, that's obviously a problem. If the water is coming out of a reservoir with abundant supply, the water being "used" is merely taking a slight detour from what it would otherwise do ("river→reservoir→hvac→river→ocean" rather than "river→ocean".) There could be some energy losses in the pumping and processing of the water, depending on where it's happening, but that's not the water itself being wasted.
My grandparents had a system that worked basically on that principle. Since they lived in a farming town it used irrigation water which was much cheaper than tap water.
The problem with fresh water isn’t the overall supply of fresh water. It’s getting it to communities that need it, when they need it, and distributing it without contaminating it.
It's not nearly as bad as watering a lawn, where water goes out clean and comes back as contaminated runoff that has to be captured and treated or dumped.
Not sure which way the Helium market works though.
>Helium is found within natural gas in concentrations typically up to 1% by volume of the gas released; however, the updated reserve review shows that the latest well drilled in the Virgina project contains a concentration of almost 11%.
https://m.miningweekly.com/article/south-africa-to-become-ei...
Helium is abundant; it’s prices simply haven’t ever stayed high enough to warrant wider extraction from the gas supply. The last time we did that we produced the strategic helium reserve which has basically fed our consumption for 60 years!
1. BIG NEWS: Resource X is running out!
2. Years later: BIG NEWS: Resource X is miraculously not running out!
I'm not saying that always happens and nothing ever runs out. But it's common enough that I put these in the "I'll believe it when I see it" file.
No one ever sold a paper or a click on a "THINGS ARE PROBABLY OK!" headline.
Then dig into the numbers behind the articles which tend to be weakly sourced and full of anecdotes rather than data.
From that BBC article: > At the auction, the average price for crude helium rose a whopping 135% year-on-year as industrial users acted to boost stocks for future years.
> "It wasn't very difficult for major suppliers to pass this increase on to their customers, so it did affect worldwide pricing," says [Phil Kornbluth, the founder of Kornbluth Helium Consulting, which advises clients on commercial aspects of the global helium business, says the "price has gone up an awful lot in a short space of time"].
So there's a single source and it's someone who benefits from the price going up.
The Physics Today article has more data, but it still has too many anecdotes and could be mostly replaced by a chart of supply & demand trends over time like the one in the linked report: https://www.edisongroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Heliu...
While helium is going to remain a non-renewable resource until we can mine the sun, there is no critical shortage in the immediate future.
It didn't make the headlines because "oil reserves depleted" would sound illogical while gasoline is cheap.
But we should also be aware of the possibility that those warning of doom and gloom activate people's minds to severity and risk of the problem. Because more people are aware and paying attention, we collectively take action to mitigate the risk and the worst case never happens.
A great example is our response to a pandemic. The response that creates the least amount of damage might look like a major over-reaction and people will start to question those who raised alarm with such intensity.
How do we deal with this meta problem?
...is a version of this fallacy. Rationalists probably have a name for it.
Also, why is everyone measuring helium in volume (litres, cubic feet)? This is highly dependent on temperature and pressure. Why not state quantities in terms of mass?
This problem appears way more often than I'd like. In measuring gas flow through valves there's a quantity called "standard cubic feet per minute". The only problem is that there is no uniformly agreed upon standard reference temperature and pressure!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_cubic_feet_per_minute
It's even worse than described on Wikipedia, as I've found at least one valve manufacturer claims that the reference pressure is the pressure they used upstream of the valve, not something near atmospheric as Wikipedia claims is typical: http://btrettel.nerfers.com/archives/72
Whenever I get a valve I either have to do my own flow tests or call the manufacturer and hope I get someone who knows a thing or two about their testing procedures.
As you said, the entire issue can be avoided by simply specifying mass or moles. I don't quite know why people don't do this, but I suppose it speaks to the power of tradition. Far too few people think about if what they are doing makes sense.
If all of the world's current electric power production were fueled by fusion, the helium produced would be a drop in the bucket compared to the total existing helium market.
17.59 MeV / (helium-4 atomic mass) = 0.117 TWh/kg
in thermal energy per kg of helium produced. The U.S. electricity production in 2019 was 4,118 TWh [1] and 4118 TWh / 0.117 (TWh/kg) = 35,196 kg.
If we assume some inefficency in the thermal->electricity conversion, I guess it should produce at least 70,000 kg/year.
Probably because they are talking about liquefied helium.
A convention to reserve mass as the unit of sale for elements in gaseous form seems reasonable, you would want to receive a Very Large Bladder of gas when ordering supplies for an experiment that needs to be chilled with helium.
When the whole shortage made the news, I had heard that the plant was for sale, and I actually talked with my wife and joked that we could buy the plant and corner a significant portion of the Helium market. LOL! I thought it would be pretty cool to own a significant part of the production of a single element.
We’re only running out of helium if we’ve quit extracting fossil fuels.
Helium is a byproduct of extraction, and is most commonly vented into the atmosphere because it’s not commercially viable to process it due to its low price.
This would be an interesting facility to see photos of.
The cheapest way overall is actually the commonly used Argon. Its just not cheapest if you just stare at the price of the gas alone.
There are just a few applications where its used that I know of: Dry ice, environment-friendly coolant, sparkling drinks and killing lifestock.
Avoid bottle rental at all costs if you can... buy your own or bottle swap are the best.
Agree with sibling poster; just get argon for mild, stainless or alu. It is absolutely the standard for the tig process.
Most times gas is not an appreciable cost, usually time or materials but I guess it could be a factor if you're welding up a lot of scrap and count your time as free.
I haven't added it up but I think I spend more on grinder discs than gas :p
At the same time, lighter gasses have vertical distributions that reach higher up into space, and some helium does get lost as it "boils off" from earth over time.
Sounds line gold mining... I'm sure they'd do it if needed for scientific purposes... or if they discover some health benefits to heliumtalk
If helium prices rise high enough, then yes, we will extract it from the atmosphere. And scientists will be sad because the they won't be able to afford as much of it anymore.