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This was allegedly used by the authorities in Hong Kong during protests there in 2019, but using Telegram. Telegram responded by introducing a new setting that hides your number from people that aren't in your own contacts.

https://telegram.org/blog/scheduled-reminders-themes#new-pri...

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Telegram indeed have better UX and same level of e2e security. Why Signal is getting all the publicity?

Telegram is not opensource, Signal is...and yes you can setup your own server with Signal. Why trust a Closed-source-Software? Do you even know that it is encrypted?

You can setup your own server with Signal, but you will not participate in the same network, so this is not really relevant.

For Country's or big-business it is relevant

https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram

https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

THAT is not the server, its like saying Firefox is opensource so Facebook is too, thanks and no thanks for the link's.

The encryption takes place in the client though, which you can verify by looking at the client source code. I find your comparison with Facebook a bit lacking, a better one would have been by looking at the Firefox code to verify if https traffic is encrypted.

Telegram has off-by-default E2E encryption with a less vetted algorithm that only works for 1:1 chats, and less focus on minimizing server knowledge. That's clearly not

> same level of e2e security

And both users need to be online at the same time for the E2E-encrypted chat. Very limiting.

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