Trump to Sign Executive Order Waiving Key Environmental Laws
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e: Since when do people on HN downvote calls to build more housing??
The offshoring of US manufacturing jobs also disproportionately hurt Black Americans and others who were once able to use those jobs as an accessible path to a middle-class life: https://equitablegrowth.org/african-american-workers-are-hur...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping... (Paywall: http://archive.is/Pf7Bw )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shippi...
It seems like a lot of these executive order get thrown out which if true seems like a big waste of time and resources.
The path forward is to continue to innovate, not roll back environmental protections.
And many of those jobs no longer exist... they were automated away long ago. So even if you brought the factories back, it wouldn't put many people to work.
Have you been to the projects? There's housing, and nothing else. People still have to sit 2 hours on a bus to get groceries because it's still a food desert. Businesses won't show up because there's no money, because there's no job training programs and no public transit to where the jobs are, etc. Eliminating segregation and raising people out of poverty is complex, and I don't think eliminating environmental review would move the needle.
According to NEPA, when an impact is identified, the intent is to develop an alternative to avoid the impact entirely. It's only when alternatives are found to be infeasible that other mitigation methods can be considered.
By doing what? Protest?
Solution to that is a functioning Congress, which requires less polarization (i.e. more compromise) and sane campaign finance laws. Term limits couldn't hurt either.
20 years ago this wouldn't be the case, but keeping the party unified at all cost, against morals, ethics, logic, is what is happening.
What saddens me is the majority vote says they shouldn't be in power in many cases but ultra effective wielding our laws in corner cases has led us to this point. Even while I loathe it, I must say it is quite effective.
Optimistic Democrats cheered Obama's expansive use of executive power (so progressive!), and were dismayed when Trump revoked every executive order that Obama's name was on pretty much immediately after taking power. Perhaps this will be a lesson... but I'm betting that Biden would veto any such limitation even if he had a friendly Congress and Senate.
He was hardly an environmentalist, either. That's how important this was 50 years ago.
If your response is that the above is a bad idea, I agree; I think the legislature should be prevented (by Constitutional amendment, if necessary) from punting regulation to the executive. Anything that has the force of law--and regulations issued by executive agencies do--should have to go through the Constitutional process to create a law. But that's not how things are currently done.
All the systems built into the US government were designed for a country with 1% the number of people it has now, when the fastest method of communication was a horse and the majority of it's populace were farmers.
There are a few simple things that could be done right now to fix the US government (abolish the EC and gerrymandering to start with), but no one has the political will to do it.
I think the most important thing is getting rid of first past the post voting, and moving the EC (which should not be abolished IMO) into electing actual electors by district.
It’s honestly surprising that only two states are winner-takes-all by district. The other 48 are winner-takes-all for the whole state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...
> The Constitution reserves the choice of the precise manner for creating electors to the will of the state legislatures. It does not define or delimit what process a state legislature may use to create its state college of electors.
Nevertheless, Article IV, Section 4:
> The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
If a state is choosing electors based on voters not in the state, then the citizens of the state no longer have a republican form of government. The state cannot simply arbitrarily choose who to force their electors to vote for. The process must be a republican one somehow.
Set it in this font: https://uglygerry.com
Can you elaborate on why that’s relevant? Sorry, I’m not going to buy and read an entire book on this.
Gerrymandering to warp democracy and give the members of your party more power than members of the other party are OK, according to our current supreme court.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/27/politics/partisan-gerrymander...
Right now, anything goes (and the fact that gerrymandering with the explicit intention of entrenching a political party isn't illegal is bonkers).
The courts have held that gerrymandering based on race is unconstitutional.
Gerrymandering based on political advantage has yet to be ruled unconstitutional and continues unabated.
But who should determine who draws electoral lines? Right now, it's in the hands of elected officials, so you can at least vote them out if they gerrymander.
If electoral lines are drawn by a nonpartisan commission, who appoints the commission? How do you ensure the members of the commission stay nonpartisan? Can the public hold members of this commission accountable?
Definitely our current system is broken; what are some alternatives to elected officials drawing electoral lines that are promising?
This is really less of an unsolvable problem than people make it out to be - it's just that most of the discussion you hear about it is from the political parties both of which benefit from its existence and, especially, the incumbents who have a much more secure seat with careful district drawing to make sure you don't get too many progressives that might vote out a centrist (or ditto on the other side)
1. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-mathematician...
I don't see any problems with this myself, as long as the algorithms are fair -- what are some downsides of this, though?
But actually - there are two classes of algorithms out there: one can determine how to fairly divide up a state and another measures how unfairly a state is divided up - instead of going full into computers-determine-everything it might be nice to just have a requirement that the result of the election in the state is relatively statistically probable given the proportions of votes for each party. So people could still draw districts we would just have a manner to prove their districts are acceptably fair.
1. There would be a lot of sudden changes, without any real explanation about those particular changes.
2. Unlike now there would be little on-the-ground reasoning to these changes. Districts would be split on random-seeming streets, with no respect at all about residents felt. Now at least you have someone to blame, and we like to have someone to blame rather than "the computer".
Remember, you also have to sell the idea to the public, and which is easier to sell: "Trust this complex algorithm built by mathematicians and their fancy computer models who most certainly aren't secretly biased toward the candidate you dislike", or "RECTANGLES! :D"
No you (practically) cannot, that's kinda the point
Proportional representation of house members per state is one option. Which would be completely constitutional, btw.
Proportional representation is the most common electoral system for national legislatures (and is also used by e.g. EU parliament).
Apparently, there used to be more at large states, except states were using it to dilute minority votes. (The white majority was large enough to elect all-white representatives.) In 1986, this was ruled to violate the 1965 Voting Rights Act. [1]
As for how to fix it, I'm no expert but off the top of my head
1. Allow public submissions for districts to prevent rigging choices
2. Create an objective set of measurements for scoring districts with the , e.g. maximize compactness, minimize perimeter, other measures that would help combat gerrymandering
3. Highest score wins? Top N finalists are voted on by legislature?
Hardly perfect, and I'm sure someone's thought about this harder and could do better. But nearly anything has got to be better than "the party in power every 10 years is given a carte blanche opportunity to further solidify their power"
Aren't voting them out and gerrymandering somewhat mutually exclusive?
https://votersnotpoliticians.com/redistricting/
We'll see how well it works after this census.
For example, California passes all sorts of interesting environmental regulations; and the states regularly weigh on their neighbours and tributaries to have similar laws.
> abolish the EC ... to start with
No, abolishing the Electoral College will not fix anything unless you think average urban Americans care even one bit about the natural wonder of the country, or have any restraint toward the rural minority.
Why would you think they don't? I'll admit this is a massive sweeping generalisation, but as a rule, urban voters tend to swing left and that mostly correlates with environmental advocacy.
But more generally... >> abolishing the Electoral College will not fix anything
Yeah, it will. For a start, it will fix the problem of the Electoral College existing.
It's an inherently undemocratic institution that is completely unnecessary in the 21st century.
And that's not a partisan position (I live in NZ so I really don't have skin in the game here). If you're a democrat living in Texas or a republican living in California, you may as well not vote in presidential elections.
You could move the presidential election to a Single Transferable Vote system and then you might actually get viable 3rd party candidates as people wouldn't have to worry about "wasting their vote".
This is ridiculous. The correlation of left-leaning and environmental advocacy is relatively new. Or rather, conservatives ignoring conservation is a rather new thing. Many of the first conservationists, and the reason we have things like national parks, and such were rural conservatives.
Getting 38 states to approve eliminating it is highly unlikely.
> No, abolishing the Electoral College will not fix anything <random rant>
Fix? What does that even mean? It would start to bring it back to a direct democracy, expanding the franchise beyond the state, as _you_ pointed out.
I understand that this sounds crazy to people, but as a resident of Colorado who occasionally enjoys marijuana, a substance that my state allows but the Federal gov't has long outlawed, I like the fact that the current system puts a higher emphasis on winning over broader regions of the country without just focusing on cities.
Obviously, I want it to be more of a sane weighting. My concern with not having some form of geographic weighting is that it sets up the USA not for some dramatic Civil War 2 that some people envision, but instead for a peaceful secession of certain regions who would end up going decades without having a voice in the Federal gov't.
Most Americans don't have a strong grasp of WHY the Senate was made the more powerful chamber of Congress. It was done over the objections of the two largest, most powerful states at the time (Virginia and Pennsylvania) at the demand of Connecticut, Delaware, Rhode Island, Mass, etc.
They explicitly stated that they were worried that Philadelphia, New York City, etc would dominate the Federal Gov't and permanently ignore the smaller states who were irrelevant to the power process. It's an odd situation, because the Federal Gov't of the US was a creation of the state governments, not vice versa like many Europeans seem to think.
Obviously, the current EC is pretty silly and feels arbitrary and unjust. But I don't foresee there being a single US nation without some mechanism to prevent a massive, contiguous chunk of the country from being permanently alienated from the legislative process. The history books are pretty clear on the longevity of empires whose governments ignore citizens outside of their urban centers. You can drive from Mexico to Canada in the US without driving through a single state that Hillary won in 2016. I don't see those people putting up with 6 elections in a row of defeat for their candidate. They frankly are already combative as it is.
Ironically, many states in the US already have this issue within their own governments. The citizens of upstate New York are pretty much ignored at the expense of the citizens of New York City. Property taxes reflect this. My home state of Colorado is so dominated by Denver that a minimum wage law was enacted that ignores the vast differences in cost of living across the state, forcing small businesses in tiny towns with extremely low rents to pay as if their employees live in the relatively expensive Denver metro area. The Denver Post, which is absolutely not a conservative rag, opposed the minimum wage law's implementation due to this fact.
And that's not just semantics; at the moment there are millions of conservatives in California whose vote gets ignored. There's millions of liberals in Texas whose vote gets ignored. Cities are not a homogenous voting bloc.
Or, what if city dwellers choose to do things like burn fossil fuels for convenience and pay no attention to changing weather patterns, etc?
We shouldn't require our required rural brethren to become activists and lobbyists in the city just so the interests of the land can be surfaced.
The only way to fix it is to ensure that all opinions are represented. A multi-party system with proportional representation will accomplish that much better than a skewed and polarised two-party system.
public art and infrastructure might be nominal priorities for a presidential candidate, but these decisions are generally going to be made by representatives in Congress, so whether or not the EC exists doesn't really change how these issues are addressed.
1: https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/sectors/summary...
On the scale and regional cultural variation in the US, I'm not sure it works at that level. But I really don't know.
Since it hasn't for decades, the Imperial Presidency rises to fill the vacuum.
Is it possible for an executive order to "waive laws"? I thought laws take precedence over executive orders. If this were possible, then the President could waive all the laws he didn't like, and have more power than a king.
I'd be grateful if someone who understands thew law better than I do could give some color here.
Also, laws are often vague and their intent is clarified in regulations issued by the executive, e.g. the EPA. The president could order those regulations to be changed.
I’m definitely not a legal scholar but I optimize code a fair amount that computes the same thing as the un-optimized code.
Take for example multiplication of natural numbers, e.g. 2x2=4, there are a number of ways this could be implemented to get the desired result, bit shifting, symbolic mathematics, heck even trained machine learning or an impl on a trinary computer. If The computation is correct the vast majority of the time great! If not, a judge can order the process be updated to implement the law.
Effectively, Congress Makes the laws, the executive branch manages their administration, and the legislative branch ensures they are being administrators in accordance with the law.
It’s annoying how many laws flip flop every eight years.
That's the idea anyhow. If we nerf the powers for one side, when our side gets in they will be nerfed also. Other systems do things differently of course, but every system wants to maintain itself.