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Microsoft finally gives AppGet developer the credit he deserves

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Discussed yesterday:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23377992

I would hope that Keivan would be well compensated especially since they directly reached out in the first place. Credit in a Readme portion is the very least that he deserves. Even if the Microsoft team was only lightly influenced, the way to build a strong developer relationship community is to acknowledge someone else's expertise through proper compensation (monetary or otherwise). Besides, Microsoft can afford it!

It's always hard to know how much to generalize from the general HN sentiment, but...

For a company that seems to be trying really hard to win back the hearts of devs, it seems like a no-brainer to have a policy in situations such as this to give $$$ to the dev. Take it out of the marketing budget.

In my opinion, "Credited in Readme" is what somebody should get when they committed an important, saver level patch for a free and open source software.

Microsoft Windows however, is not that, at all.

Microsoft should hire that guy which could be a better ending, but they did not. MS played this game really un-well I must say.

> More specifically, we failed to live up to this with Keivan and AppGet. This was the last thing that we wanted.

Bullshit.

Hopefully Keivan not commenting means he’s going to get more than just credit in a README and whatever it is doesn’t get locked under an NDA.

How can you come to conclusion that He's looking for some compensation?

Probably from his blog post, where he was promised a job, which typically comes with some.

https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/

I’m not - it’s speculation based on the comment (linked from the article) being on an issue with the title “Donate to AppGet”

> This is the last thing we wanted

It's hard to believe the unironic use of that phrase in response to something they had complete control over. If they didn't want it to happen, then they had ample opportunity to do things differently to the way they actually did.

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Isn't that what building for the Windows API is in general, though? You're enriching a platform that ultimately benefits someone who isn't you.

Nobody owns POSIX.

You’re not just helping MS, you’re helping millions (billions?) of their users - people who cannot afford the time (Linux) or luxury (Apple) of alternatives.

Think of a world without Firefox for Windows.

Thing that bothers me in this is that Microsoft made the effort to fly Keivan to the Redmond for interviews and meetings. Why do that? Apple sherlocks it's developer base all the time, and they give very little if none of the credit to original authors of the idea.

By flying the Keivan to the Redmond they gave him false hope of something, and wasted his time. Instead they should have asked about him nothing, if they weren't going to break software license doing their WinGet. It was withing their right to copy it.

Worse thing is to raise false hopes and false expectations. They will surely doom any relationship, regardless if it's about product sales or personal.

Nobody in any of these threads has pointed out an original idea that AppGet implemented.

Looking at the list of features Keivan he was credited for, I see nothing original.

Microsoft's project is written in C++, Keivans in C#. Nothing was copied.

Nice witch hunt HN.

Seems like you've captured the prevailing mindset at Microsoft that allowed this to happen in the first place. You'd be a good candidate to work there. Do you currently?

> Seems like you've captured the prevailing mindset at Microsoft that allowed this to happen in the first place.

What's "this"? I haven't seen evidence of anything that's immoral or unethical here.

Care to give a rebuttal that isn't just more of the same rhetoric??

> You'd be a good candidate to work there. Do you currently?

Insinuations of shilling are such a chicken shit argument. They're also against the forum rules. Stop doing that.

Marketing-speak is pretty strong with this product manager.

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