Rustlang: “This account will pause tweeting until further notice”
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I know I'm N=1, but I have increased respect for the Rust organization.
I would like to know in what way this will actually influence change. Don't get me wrong, sincere displays of solidarity matter, but this isn't one. It's an effortless token gesture.
This is entirely based on assumptions about who wrote that tweet and how that account is manages.
And without any attempt of evidence or justification for claim of B, just dropping the accusation of virtual signaling comes across as merely trying to describe "openly not being an asshole" as if it were a bad thing.
The information age intrinsically makes it harder for this kind of statements.
On almost all topics we are bounded to be ignorant of some important facets, and the sheer size of the internet means that many other will be ignorant/knowledgeable on different facet of any topic.
In a sense this means that most endorsements of public topics by an organization/individual will incur in a certain level of "what about these negative sides of that thing"; this happens especially if there was not a previous synchronizing pressure for that topic.
Once upon a time it was a lot easier for social clusters to be similarly ignorant/knowledgeable on any given topic.
As often happens with progress we lose something and we gain something.
Yeah, no thanks. And much less when you're taking a side. I mean, I know you're a Mozilla project after all, but eeek.
-- @rustlang
That's why when I modify a free software package for my own personal use and gratification, I'm not forced to distribute the changes to anyone, not even upstream.
Archive.org's copies, like the one at https://web.archive.org/web/20190212143902/https://wagtail.i... , seems usable. Plus, things like http://docs.wagtail.io/en/v2.4/ are still live.
Replying to @rustlang
"The world is bigger than just the USA."
There are a lot of problems in the world, Syria pops into mind or a billion people who can't fully feed their kids.
But they are not a viral Twitter sensation. Gotta be 'cool'
I have seen a few mobs attacking people from other countries because they couldn't get the current political environment in US. And why would they? They don't live in the US and thus don't get everything happening in US.
This would not apply if they just supported the cause, or even decided to join the protest. For how international it can be the rust organization is intrinsically based in the US so it is understandable why they might want to make a statement about the current events.
Nevertheless the criticism has a basis in how the tweet was formulated, as the way it was written transforms a perfectly reasonable position of "we cannot and shouldn't fight every battle" into "that other issue was less important".
I would say this was a case where a bad argument was worse than no argument.
Just to repeat myself one more time if the tweet was only "In support of current protests we chose to stop tweeting until further notice" then your comment would be completely right.
If you think "taking a stand against X is more important than sharing tech knowledge" then it needs be well thought out before you shut down your global "sharing tech knowledge" over that issue.
Or people like me think you are just part of the vileness the makes Twitter work where everyone is just part of the lynch mob, without thought jumping on, looking for outrage, and a reason to hurt people rather than help people.
This is the sad irony of making a huge fuss of "black lives matters" when really they (or non-Armerican/non-Western) don't. What matters is the American village.
This is virtue-signalling and will actually anger, as it always does, many who are not part of the worthy few.
Why would this be about "being cool" and not the rage of being constantly targeted and NO systemic change since the Jim Crow law era?
It's been the same since Emmett Till, and frankly, your reaction is a bit hard to believe. Can a human truly be ignorant of the facts on the ground in the USA of being black or white and the differing treatment you get?
I'll wager that you don't watch CNN, as you smell a little Foxy, but they had 2 reporter crews on the ground 1 block apart in Minneapolis, and the black anchor and his crew got arrested ON-AIR, and the white guys crew got politely asked to move after their credentials were checked.
As long as it is about American politics. Shame.
Obviously they are not the same thing, but it is not trivial to find a precise rationale under things that have no need to be 100% rational, such as showing public support.
I'm a bit bitter because they haven't given a fig about the minority most likely to be killed by law enforcement than any other racial or ethnic group and even use a license from an organization that domain squats on the very same minority.
[edit: yep same as it ever was]
Source:
U.S. Department of State
https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-...
"There were no credible reports that the government or its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings."
Edit: hate to say that, but why instead of clicking the damn downvote button don't you go and actually check if there are recorded deaths?
I will not post direct links. Instead, I invite you to browse tags like #HongKongPoliceTerrorism, #HongKongPoliceBrutality, #HKpolice, etc. on Twitter.
We all know not to trust COVID death counts from China. HK police brutality is something like that. We have video evidence of a few murders. As for the actual count, no one knows.
Sounds like double standards with the current action with tech companies.
Don't miss the point though. Cannot, under any circumstances be trusted. If they are sufficiently pressured they might do the right thing, or at least pretend to in public. Assume they are lying about everything until proven otherwise is a statement of the obvious.
You're right, the document is outdated. I've searched further and while I did find a few instances of police shooting at protesters, I didn't find deaths.
> I will not post direct links.
Please do instead. And no, I don't think twitter is a reliable source, twitter is an information battleground, you should know it.
> HK police brutality is something like that.
HK citizens have all the means and the interest to spread knowledge of police brutality in their protests. I don't think the comparison with China and covid holds any water (even assuming that what you say about China's covid numbers is true, as "everybody knows" is not a proof).
Not to deemphasize the seriousness of an actual death, but the difference between shooting at protestors (especially if in a crowd, but I have not seen the video) and casualties is a matter of luck.
But again, over many months of mass demonstrations, sometimes violent, the number of zero or very few actual deaths is significant.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/world/asia/hong-kong-shoo...
20 dead people in a week-end. Apparently, Blacks lives don't matter that much in Chicago. I guess it's only in the particular case that a white cop brutalizes a black suspect, in America, that the entire fucking world, from Germany to Tokyo, needs to be indignant, for some reason. It's totally organic and not a political manipulation at all /s
Actually no, the only thing we could hold them up to is that before any tweet on the usual topics there should be a notice that normal tweets have begun again. It would be perfectly reasonable to now defend their position without a prior notice that they are going to also defend their position.
If the position is “we won’t tweet again until we do” then this is a meaningless announcement because that’s the default position of every twitter account.
If tomorrow morning they were to comment a justification of their choice that would still be outiside of the normal rust-related news the account concern itself and thus allowed.
Treating languages as naive logic statements is doing a disservice to both language and logic.
Another reason is that I would say I do not particularly like the part "let's take words literally stripping the intended meaning", my intention was at least to show an opposition to such interpretation.
If you were having just fun then don't take this as a criticism, but I will continue to oppose such interpretations :)