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Are there videos where protesters are beyond acceptable behavior? Rioters? I doubt this is a one way street by any measure.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-bro...

There was some pretty awful things happening on the live streams last night.

I'm surprised by how many people streamed themselves committing crimes. Are they ignorant or just dumb? The police just started taking pictures of everyone

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How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before.

That is not to say that there aren’t bad actors on each side, there are. I didn’t like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are.

Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor stuff and sometimes by accident: going above speed limit or smoking pot. If i were not white it’s likely that I would have ended up in jail.

When I was younger I’d do stupid things like trespass some propery with my friends, for fun. We would be caught sometimes and let go with a warning. They understood we were kids doing stupid stuff. Well, i dont need to tell you what would have happened if I was black, you probably know..

I'm white, I've been in jail (not prison), I've been put to the ground by an officer, I was doing dumb shit when I was a dumb shit.

But as soon as you introduce color, aren't you seeing color and preventing the fundamental problem from fading away?

You can't force it away, you have to teach it away, right?

Do children see color naturally or do we teach them how? Where are they primarily learning this? (I suspect from video screens more so than IRL, sources widely varied)

I guess from being treated like dirt and excluded. This can happen to white males too, but is systematic against how people where born and look.

If you move abroad, the same can happen to you.

Moving abroad / long term travels are the best way to realize we are all the same, have the same basic dreams and desires, that there are bad apples in all walks of life, and is really a great way to lose prejudice, myself a case in point, but most who travel (beyond site seeing) relate this transformation

I absolutely agree with that but this view is limited to a subgroup who can empathise. The reality is in multiple modes, competition and all for oneself’s interests is generally a frequently met philosphy to a quite large subgroup and thats a human nature thing. Only when we all realize that it’s better for all of us if we’re not predominantly ruled by psychopaths and narcisits maybe things will turn around

We will stop glorifying narcissists and psychopathic systems after they make the world burn. Their positive traits turn destructive in excess.

Most people abroad are friendly. Makes one think why we hang on to old conceptions and limited beliefs, and instead meet people "as new".

I see you've edited your comment to add colors where I had not. You did claim to be white at the time, is that still the case? I only brought up that I was because you had, but have since removed that statement. Which version (white or not) supports your narrative better? A little disingenuous don't ya think?

I spoke of the broad variety of people involved in a sibling comment, did you consider my comments at large to gain perspective or chose things in isolation to support your world view?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23372896

Im white, of Eastern European origin and a US immigrant. Fortunately not very bigoted due to my opennnes to experiences which opened my eyes. I did not add color to my edit but probably corrected some error, i type on my phone and also miss words.

> Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away.

Why did you imply that guy was a white supremicist? What ever evidence do you have?

Video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vurPRZbLvc

There are. But one would hope the police would hold themselves to a higher standard than an angry mob: that's supposedly why we give them weapons. Seeing them lash out at whoever looks at them the wrong way, it's become clear they have no such integrity.

More have died in the riots now right?

This channel is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVKDKWKR498Ut2m8H5oUEcA

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