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Do you know if it exists a perfect combination of vim + nano?

As a vim first user, that is what my wait is now only for.

Hope that some days someone creates "milli" that combines both ;)

Those two tools seem very different, I'm not sure what a combination of them would be. Would it be a modal editor? Would it support the shell functionality vim has? Would it allow plugins? It's like asking about the perfect combination of a bike and a plane.

Serious question, btw. I'm genuinely curious what you think a combination would look like.

I'll take a crack at it. It would be vim under the hood but big changes to the defaults in favor of first time users over experienced users to allow using it for basic features wihout knowing ANY of the eccentricities or history of terminal based editors or even modal editors. As a starting point, think evim defaults which smothly allow you into regualr vim when you are ready or feel like it.

Vim does things that I can't imagine many other editors doing, and the pletora of less obvious features like editing over ssh, vimdiff, TOhtml, print to PS, etc are just lovely.

Many would never learn those features at all, and power uers would be less likely to develop, but that seems like a starting point.

As a bonus for all you experienced vimmers, if you want to feel the real excitement of learning how to use an untuitive new tool, like back when you were green, open up easy vim in a terminal.

    vim -y

Now exit after writing something.

That makes sense to me. I only picked up vim a couple years ago and just bit the bullet and bought Practical Vim because I was drowning. Easier defaults, or a 'beginner mode' seem like a perfectly reasonable evolution.

Thanks!

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