IBM to cut thousands of jobs as coronavirus plays out
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I understood all the terms, but I wouldn’t know the reasoning behind why it is important to be listed in certain places.
As an IBM executive, you don't want some PE firm becoming majority owner and replacing you with someone else.
I.e. +50% shares need to be outstanding (assuming nothing is owned by the hostile PE firm).
But more relevantly to IBM's case, the top shareholders are also the top executives. [1]
So, in this case, the stock price going down affects them direcly.
[1] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052216/top-5-...
When the stock price drops precipitously, they lose money instead. When the stock price falls so low that they fall out of indexes, it will then go even lower, as the companies which hold the stock in an attempt to mimic an index (index funds, etc) switch to getting rid of it instead, which means selling more of it to an already-skeptical public.
You are confusing the means to an end with the end itself.
Having a lower stock price means it has a smaller leverage on those things.
I cannot imagine a worse basis on which to steer a company. It makes zero sense. Using a random number generator to pick every decision would result in better results than what we are currently doing.
An example of a company that has completely succumbed to Wall Street is Texas Instruments. They are (or used to be) a tech company. They used to have research. They used to create new products.
But in the past few years they have started committing to "returning 100% of free cash flow to investors" (quoting their own earnings release) via stock buybacks and dividends. They actually put it down in writing: we are committed to NOT reinvesting in employees, NOT doing R&D, NOT creating new products. In every earnings call about how they are still committed to getting all the cash into stock buybacks and dividends. That's it. That's the whole company now.
Wall Street loves Texas Instruments. The shiny bucket of treasure known as stock buybacks + equity based compensation is irresistible. This is going to keep happening until we make it stop happening.
I hope they do, I make a ton of money selling to them...
She stepped down as President and CEO and retains her position on the Board, while Arvind Khrishna stepped up as IBM CEO and Jim Whitehurst, former CEO of Red Hat, became IBM President.
The speculation (and it is only speculation) is that Jim will spend a year or so as President while being groomed for the CEO job when Arvind retires.
IBM's next president will be RedHat's former CEO. IBM's next CEO will be a guy who has worked at IBM since 1990.
Case in point I was on a call where an executive stated: "We're moving to a subscription model in our product because, to go public, that's what Wall Street is going to want to see". Not because that's where customer demand is, or because it makes sense for the business. But this short sighted rationale to meet a short term goal inorganically. Wall Street and VCs are very much no different than the influencer marketing crowd. They just happen to pretend and purport they're good at growing business, when the real MO is lining pockets.
[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38390751-the-infinite-ga...
I have thought about this a bit. Why doesn’t the Bay Area have it’s own stock market/index? It seems incredibly stupid to let financial control over all the innovation that’s happening in the Bay be in the hands of NYCs financial markets. To some extent VCs offer that alternative financial market that doesn’t exist but it’s only for startup funding and such.
There is also LTSE by Eric Reis - https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/22/18629621/long-term-stoc...
Curious how this will play out.
If you look at their annual report, they are defining free cash as the cash flow from operations minus capital expenditures. This is better than "invest nothing and send it all back". In 2019, their capex / cash flow was about 12%. They certainly don't invest nearly the amount that an Intel or TSMC would invest in their lines - but the products they produce don't really require that.
I'm totally with you on stock buybacks being a big problem.
What you are suggesting is that every company should prioritize growth by reinvesting in itself. It doesn't always make sense to do so though.
You are rewriting the story backward when you say “IBM doesn't do R&D then it makes sense to reallocate the profits”, it's the reallocation which killed the R&D!
> But in the past few years they have started committing to "returning 100% of free cash flow to investors"
I was not commenting on IBM's long term history. They made short sighted decisions, I think everyone can see that. As it stands now, investors don't want to give them any more money to continue along that path.
Companies like Amazon reinvest in themselves with no dividend. Investors encourage this because they believe in what Amazon is investing in.
Just wanted to provide a different perspective on why dividends/distributions are desired by investors in certain scenarios. A common view on here is that Wall Street is ruining things, but it is often a much more nuanced situation.
That being said, it will never happen.
I think there are real problems with the combination of stock buybacks and how executives are incentivized, but the currently popular idea that companies shouldn’t return profits to investors, or that this is somehow nefarious, is misguided. This is the entire point of for-profit corporations.
I get that investors want returns for their capital, but expecting employees to take all of the heat while shielding investors from any of it seems quite cynical.
If you want employees to gain in that situation you need a worker owned coop, there is nothing making such a thing illegal although historically it usually hasn't scaled as well for several reasons and the inaccessibility of the equity to employees and lack of guarantees means the default assessment for that value in new ventures is $0 to the employee.
The real argument we should be having is whether workers are getting paid enough, which I think is what you’re getting at. I believe the answer for low- to medium-skill workers is no for a variety of reasons. I have less concern for highly-compensated, high-skill tech employees from IBM or TI.
Also, I think if we made businesses shut off all returns to investors whenever they lay people off, like some seem to be suggesting, we would have many more contractors/short-term employees, with more workers in precarious employment situations. There is some empirical evidence for this in Europe.
Instead of blocking the return of profits, I would instead argue for increased taxation of corporations and middle-/high-income earners in order to provide a stronger social safety net, in the event they are let go they are not destitute and starving. But also happy to hear arguments for other solutions, it’s obviously a complex topic with lots of interconnected pieces.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/the-valeant-meltdown...
also believe me, if you were unemployed and IBM was knocking at your door, you would take any job they gave you if it depended on feeding your family. your "priorities" would shift very quickly.
While you're correct that companies have to layoff when they're financially constrained, you've chosen the wrong company to try to defend with that line.
And your last sentence is apropros of nothing. "If you were starving of thirst, of course you would drink that stagnant pond water" does not mean that we should all start drinking, or praising, stagnant pond water.
again... your comment is the pure demostration of how sick the self righteousness of this site is.
IBM once told its laid off US employees that if they wanted to keep their jobs, they should move to India and take the prevailing wage there:
"It's more of a vehicle for people who want to expand their life experience by working somewhere else..."
This is when their CEO made $20M last year.
I think any company that is currently laying off US employees should immediately have all their H1B, L1, etc. visas revoked and use banned for the next decade. This would be trivial to implement, especially in states like California where the company is required to notify the state before layoffs.
I also have absolutely no faith that Redhat won't turn into a shell of itself eventually - all the US and EU R&D moved to India, replaced by sales and lawyers using Oracle's business model.
* https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/technology/ibm-india.html
* https://www.businessinsider.com/2009/2/ibm-to-north-american...
But this makes sense now that IBM has become a body shop. I doubt the cuts will come in what remains of research, manufacturing, or design. Likely all in “services” and its sales teams.
There is one way to make it scale, sort of. Find a consultancy solution that is applicable across multiple customers. E.g where multiple customer teams have essentially the same problem. Once you have ironed the bugs out of your consultancy solution, you can template it and reuse in new situations with fewer surprises. You can still include a risk bucket in your charge-out rates, but this is more likely not to be used and thus taken as profit. In the case with which I'm familiar, a very large organisation had multiple teams writing business requirements that would be put out to tender. The central organisation had never tried to standardise this process, and multiple similar mistakes were made by multiple customer teams. Hence a good business opportunity for a small external consultancy who could spot the mistake patterns and solve them multiple times.
Whether the template approach is good for all customers is a wholly different question. You can also get badly burned (in cost and / or reputation) if you find after starting with a new customer that the template isn't applicable after all. Hence the common situation where a consultancy organisation deploys its 'A-team' to win and start the work, and then swaps them out for cheaper and less skilled staff to complete the deliverables.
[Edit - added example]
That is called product and apart from few top vendors product companies are getting hammered in similar fashion or worse.
Having a template or cookie cutter helps because you can reduce execution risk (which can also help sales) and also assign a more junior person, at the same rate, to the later projects, which does goose profits.
Yes. This was exactly the case in the example I mentioned in my earlier comment. The specific aspiration was that once we had successfully solved the problem for one customer team, that team would act as our internal reference for the next customer team.
IBM/TCS/Infosys/Wipro/Cognizant are consultancy shops which are some examples of MRCs. They generally hire at scale - like 10,000 people in one go or scooping up a whole college’s batch. Thats how they have also been able to keep a freshers salary static at 3-5 LPA (~4k-6.5k USD) for 13 years now.
Some firms using this model are, due to pretentious courtesy, not described this way (e.g. law firms, landscaping firms, and other such service industries).
By contrast large employers like Walmart or GM aren't considered body shops as their revenue is not proportionate to headcount, and in fact improving productivity helps their model.
* it's a joke name as "body shop"s original (and continued) meaning is a company that repairs dents in a car's "body" (the non-engine parts).
https://features.propublica.org/ibm/ibm-age-discrimination-a...
Not sure how much success they're having with their other cloud offerings, tho.
[1]: https://enlyft.com/tech/products/ibm-watson
Edit: Added source
You get better information from their annual report.
Revenue Highlights 4Q19 Total Revenue $21.8B
Cloud & Cognitive Software $7.2B
Global Business Services $4.2B
Global Technology Services $6.9B
Systems $3.0B
So Watson is a portion of the "Cloud and Cognitive".
Further down, it shows just the Cloud part:
Cloud Revenue $6.8B
$7.2B-$6.8B=$0.4B
Not bad, but $400M in Watson "Cognitive" revenue isn't a notable portion of $21.8B.
Plus I'm sure they do sell enterprise software at extortionate prices
Outside of mainframes, from my own experience, their Spectrum Scale/GPFS (parallel filesystem) is still the default buy in HPC. Not necc the _best_ choice, but still the one you wouldn't get fired for buying.
One of the other admins was investigating the Lustre filesystem when I left.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/274823/ibms-global-reven...
Accenture, Deloitte & IBM are considered Tier 2. The BMW, Mercedes, Audi if you will.
McKinsey, Bain, BCG are Tier 1. The Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc.
Tier 2 do their darndest to get into Tier 1 but the nature of the work is very different and the chasm between tiers is hard to cross just like in the car industry. Source: I've done extensive work in both tiers.
In this case, the smaller companies are, if anything, slightly higher-end (more boutique).
I'm not actually sure the Tier 2 are trying to become Tier 1. It's like comparing Walmart to Tiffany & Co. They're very different business models, but upscale doesn't necessarily beat mass market.
What about EPAM Systems btw?
My experience is the Tier 2 vendors you've listed are more tactical, and typically handle execution (outsourcing etc.).
Whereas MBB are more strategic, C-Suite, but the value-add may or may not be significantly different from the former.
Edit: I was confused by this:
https://www.ibm.com/cloud/architecture/architectures/ibm-clo...
The most basic googling will show this is a lie.
IBM cloud has nothing to do with AWS or any other provider. It is an autonomous provider just like AWS, Azure, Google, Alibaba, etc
Disclaimer: Close friend works there.
Jesus, get your facts straight before shooting such inaccuracies.
And yet my clients keep buying IBM products and hiring IBM consultants. There is a huge enterprise world outside of Silicon Valley that HN is completely unaware of.
The amount of misconceptions that are passing in a lot of these comments for facts is astounding. Many pretend that they don't know that IBM is one of the major PaaS and IaaS cloud providers. Others pretend that they ignore all the R&D done in IBM. Others still ignore the fact that IBM is one of the most open source friendly companies out there. And others still forget that it is probably the oldest IT company around that has reinvented itself more times than Elon has begged for public attention.
Anyway. Each with his own opinion. Luckily business out there has it's own as well and places its money on it.
With that I'm not trying to absolve C-suite from their responsibilities or their shitty management that will leave thousands of good workers high and dry. This is a different issue altogether but like I said the hate in these comments have nothing to do with it.
There's been no layoffs and I don't expect any. RH managed to avoid layoffs in 2008 as well. A hiring freeze is in place for most departments but there are still some positions which are actively hiring.
I can't say I'm surprised that IBM is having layoffs, though.
[1] https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/25/after-fork...
They are incentivised to protect the interests of their shareholders.
Unions are set up to (N/A in USA) protect the workers.
It is generally assumed that decision makers will care more about their own wealth than other people’s wealth.
It was a sales and marketing ploy to sell global services contracts
There is zero mention of sed or awk at [0]. And looking at one of the references [1], it's pretty clearly more involved than sh+sed+awk. Is Apache UIMA [2] 90% sh+sed+awk? At a glance, it doesn't appear to be.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watson_(computer)#Software
Watson rollouts have been huge and expensive failures.
Why is this layoff (compared to the other hundreds they have done over the decades) the inevitable end?
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-21/ibm-is-la...
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/ibm-announces-first-job-cuts-un... (paywalled, http://archive.is/imO4i might help)