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On the topic of Microsoft is not less evil than before : today I needed to use Teams, I was pleasantly surprised by the fact it supported a web client. I tried to use it and got caught in a tunnel of dark ux. You go to the website, click to sign in, get asked for your email and password, then verify your email, then you discover that you actually signed up for something else and now you can signup for teams. You follow the wizard again, then you are told to use Skype because you are not a company. You restart and make sure to check the box saying you are a company, then put your company info, it works! You try to start a call, and you get told it does not work in firefox...

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On the topic of Microsoft is not less evil than before: they recently released a GUI kit called MAUI, thereby stealing the name of the already existing KDE project. They know and they're not being nice about it.

https://mauikit.org/

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-multi-...

https://itsfoss.com/microsoft-maui-kde-row/

One is MauiKit stylized MAUi and another is .NET MAUI. The acronyms for both are generic enough that this complaint feels like a reach

Yes, just like the letter C is generic when naming a programming language.

Do you honestly believe that it's a reach to state that both are called maui?

> One is MauiKit stylized MAUi and another is .NET MAUI. The acronyms for both are generic enough that this complaint feels like a reach.

Yea, like the Microsoft Palm PC isn't a rip-off of the Palm Pilot :]

https://www.itprotoday.com/windows-78/microsoft-introduces-p...

Yea a lot of microsoft stuff doesn’t work in Firefox. They are the worst of all the big companies at supporting it.

Which is hilarious since if you spoof your Firefox UA string to be Chrome or Edgeium, all Teams features work properly in the browser.

Yep. Google also offers a lot of "rich cards" in their search (interactive things mostly) that are only available on Chrome .. unless you change the user agent of another browser to Chrome, in which case it also works perfectly.

Google actually seems to show those to me occasionally in Safari.

IANAL but would not that be grounds for abuse of dominant position? Using their dominance in web search to undercut competing browser vendors?

Chrome accounts for ~70% of browser use. It is a majority, but it's not total dominance.

For reference, IE accounted for ~96% of browser use when that whole antitrust case was happening.

Ah, but the point was about using "their dominance in web search to undercut competing browser vendors".

In this case, ~90% of web searches go through Google[0]. So they are using the fact that they are the number one web search engine to convince users to switch to Google Chrome.

[0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-...

Ah, true, thanks for pointing that out.

@ccmcarey: “Chrome accounts for ~70% of browser use”

That would be Microsoft Chrome :]

I have hit cases, especially with the O365 admin panel where things are just broken in FireFox. They didn't even bother to deny FireFox, just didn't test at all.

This is, one of, the problems with everything being chromium...

And why it is paramount to not use any chromium browser whilst we have a choice to. Luckily, you don't have to give up on anything.

> Luckily, you don't have to give up on anything.

Except, you know, Microsoft products. Like Skype.

I guess only companies are stuck on it nowadays?

Regardless, sure, use a chromium browser for that task if you absolutely must. It is good separation anyway.

Avoiding Skype is a win IMO.

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