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If there was a coordinated embrace and move to DoT (at least for the "last mile" part between end users and resolvers), network operators wouldn't be able to get away with blocking it (see secure IMAP, secure POP etc. for similar shifts in the past).

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The internet is decentralized and "coordinated embrace" is not realistic or practical. See also: IPv6.

Pretty much the whole of the internet has been jammed into tcp/443 now, and it can't much be helped. Internet engineering needs to cope with the world as it is, not how we wish it were.

>The internet is decentralized and "coordinated embrace" is not realistic or practical.

I disagree, see the success of: letsencrypt, the wide spread use of 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1; dkim/spf/dmarc; imaps, pop3s, tls ldap.

Why should a switch over to DoT be any different? If anything it should be easier. The general need for better security and privacy are much more widely understood and accepted concerns these days.

The opposite is true: most DoT advocacy comes from operators (and suppliers to those operators) who specifically and overtly intend to filter DNS.

As said DNS operator (founder and CTO of DNSFilter.com) - I concur. We’ve been offering DoT for years, but are about to improve the offering with 0-RTT support.

We’re also working on POCs of DoH support, but it’s mostly moot compared to our DoT offerings which cover the whole OS, not just the browser.

Operating systems are going to do DoH (Microsoft already is), and that's going to be the end of it --- browsers, the most important application, are already bought in. DoT is a footnote.

While I truly respect your credentials, I disagree 100% with your conclusion and think DoT will win out. Should be fun to visit this thread in a year, just to see.

If you want to put a couple bucks on this, I'd be happy to put my money where my mouth is. :)

>browsers, the most important application, are already bought in

That's an interesting way to phrase it. The RFC for DoH is co-authored by Mozilla. They didn't buy in, they created it.

Android - at least for now - supports DoT. But, who knows, they might switch to DoH in the future.

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using#an...

PS: I have been using it for a while and it works fine.

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