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A prior thread on MK-ULTRA: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21165137

The Frank Olson Project is an aggregation of a lot of the research Eric Olson did into the circumstances of his father's death: https://frankolsonproject.org/

The biggest lie about the program is that it ended.

The second biggest lie is that it was about doing crazy shit, and failed.

It was a PSY-OPS attack on the American public that worked perfectly: To this day people believe the lies about what the program was.

So, like the 'real' account of the OBL raid or chemical weapons in Syria, another huge story being broken by Hersh based on unverifiable anonymous insider information which no one else can confirm. No wonder the New Yorker hasn't published anything by him in half a decade and he had to move to LRB (and not always even then)...

Hersh's skeptical account of the 2017 Syrian chemical attack has been corroborated by the OPCW Douma leaks.

This is a serious misrepresentation of the actual content of the leaks, propagated by a gallery of pro-Assad freelance writers and regime mouthpieces. In fact, the "leaks" never seriously contradicted the OPCW's conclusion.

Can you provide any links to support that assertion?

Not trolling -- I am just curious about how you arrive at such a conclusion.

'corroborated', eh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douma_chemical_attack#OPCW_inv... Well, that is a word one could use. It certainly is a word that one could use.

Incidentally, note that it was leaked through the good offices of a Russian cutout better known for selective leaking of DNC (but not RNC) emails and forged Macron emails. Sure is excellent company Sy is keeping these days.

Ah yes, the old "never mind whether these leaks are true, look where they came from!" And of course god forbid we might exercise some skepticism of our own intelligence community or Crowdstrike's conclusions on that front.

I guess it's unfortunate that the RNC had better opsec than the DNC during 2016, I certainly would have been interested to know what they were sending back and forth during their primary. Whatever it was it probably would not have done much damage to Trump's campaign though.

It's really amazing what an effective sheepdogging campaign Russiagate turned out to be. Sy Hersh reached some conclusions which align in some way with what Russia might want, therefore MK-ULTRA wasn't really a thing or the government wasn't involved in Frank Olson's death?

> Ah yes, the old "never mind whether these leaks are true, look where they came from!"

Particularly important a criticism given how selective leaks can paint a very different picture by leaving out all the responses and reasons the supposed whistleblowing never made it into the report, on top of the past track record in releasing outright forged documents. You're leaping to wild conclusions on the basis of far less than half of a conversation which may never have happened.

> I guess it's unfortunate that the RNC had better opsec than the DNC during 2016

If you've read any profile of the muppets that ran the RNC or the Trump campaign, you know the RNC most definitely did not.

> therefore MK-ULTRA wasn't really a thing or the government wasn't involved in Frank Olson's death?

No one here said anything remotely like either of those. MK-ULTRA really was a thing. The government really was involved in Olson's death. By... administering LSD.

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