The genuine polymath is still one in a million
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This could be seen positively or negatively. One way of spinning it is that he was persistent in exploring ideas. Another way, though, is that something -- mythmaking, hype, his art, whatever it is -- has allowed history to ignore the fact that he seemed to have been wrong more often than he was right, along the lines of a broken clock being right twice a day.
In either case, I think there's something to be said for some kind of cultural and social context playing a strong role in how all of this is interpreted. A different person in the wrong place or wrong time might have been interpreted as a crackpot.
I imagine it's similar with Leonardo, and likely with our own state-of-the-art knowledge. We are all broken clocks, and the trick is to figure out which part of our knowledge is wrong.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studie...
Many scientists spend a portion of their time in oddball or fruitless pursuits and sometimes it takes them over, particularly as they get older.
Linus Pauling and Vitamin C is one thing that comes to mind.
There was some scientist whose name I can't remember, was asked how he could be occupied by crazy ideas or obsessions and he said that these ideas came to him in exactly the same way as his deep scientific insights.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-hospitals-treating-co...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5996765/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3937164/
Just because someone looks silly to their contemporaries doesn't mean they're wrong. Look at Semmelweis. He figured out germs well before Pasteur. Doctors didn't accept it because they didn't like the implications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
Sagan says it best. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-le...
When people look back on us 300 years from today, they'll likely find many cases of geniuses working on things that seem naive or misguided in retrospect.
Cutting edge science today would have been called alchemy historically. Artificial intelligence, gene editing, etc. Fortunately scientists have a pretty good reputation now, where alchemists of the past had to research and convene in secret.
I like your comparison between alchemy and AI. Even modern neural nets would fit alchemical concepts pretty well - "we flattened a rock, put lightning inside it, and made it speak to us with a human voice!"
The way British write confuses many people. "Newton is the greatest of the greatest", "Shakespeare is the mos prolific writer that ever lived", ""... British writers love hyperbole. The fact that the writing style aligns with national pride helps to create a positive feedback of "grandiose writing".
That does not mean that there is ill intent. The target consumers of the writing are the British readers themselves, and almost all societies have a good self esteem. The fact that globally we communicate in English has tip the balance towards sharing American and British views of the world over the rest and created an over hype of some charismatic national myths.
I've really not heard anything similar about newton though.
Don't confuse those very few who surf their own hyperbole with the average brit (I'm one).
I see your point. And, as any generalization, my point does not apply to all British citizens.
But, that grandiose talking is not uncommon (funny thou):
https://www.reddit.com/r/INGLIN/comments/1p76kk/good_to_see_...
What is much harder to argue against is his influence on the English language. Shakespeare introduced, into everyday use, a monumental staggering number of words, phrases, idioms, metaphors, and ideas. And that’s just the text of his work. His influence on the institution of theatre and its role in the development of actors is equally staggering.
The comparison with Newton (and his influences on mathematics and physics) is apt.
I'm one of them, but after one of my English teachers decided to bring us to see one of his other plays as a treat (Much Ado about Nothing), I can't help but think it's because schools are obsessed with the bad plays. I've never gone out of my way to read/see other plays, but that one was actually entertaining and I think if it was used instead of Romeo and Juliet & etc, less people would dislike Shakespeare.
I remember the teacher pointing out the cheap sexual innuendos in there (IIRC 'on the prick of noon' was one). In retrospect I find it hypocritical, she only drew our attention to it because it was shakespeare, and she seemed to laud it because it was shakespeare. In any other contexts she'd have dismissed it, but this was shakespeare! So saddo nob jokes ok.
A few years ago I tried to watch titus andronicus (this one, with Famous Actor https://www.amazon.co.uk/Titus-Blu-ray-Import/dp/B00HGGUO70/). I probably rewound[1] every section of speech at least once, and had the subtitles on, to try to understand. Christ what an effort, and for what.
[1] Thank you VLC for your easy 10 second jumping keys, one of mymost used controls ever.
(but glad MAAN worked for you)
People like Leonardo and Newton are valuable thinkers because they once in a while produce a really good idea, and it doesn't really matter if they know themselves which ideas are good or bad. This is a really bad trait for a leader or a trader though.
What I most likely think, is that he was more like a Director of a government program or university who's tasked with key projects and allowed to interrogate or gather intelligence from anywhere.
He most likely met a lot of people from both east and west, learned a few things them and decided to document them. Maybe those people also documented it in their own language somewhere but ofc it didn't survive the test of time and only way we know any of those things is through Leonardo's illustrations.
The cities where he lived had influx of traders from all over the world.
It's otherwise seemingly impossible for someone to come up with so many things during his lifetime.
I don't think that's what defines a polymath, for if it does, then none existed. My view of what makes one a polymath is deep --likely cutting-edge-- expertise in several disciplines.
That being said, I agree with the general sentiment that it is increasingly harder to become a polymath these days, especially in the disciplines with lots of active research. To have an expertise in just one discipline it takes years of education (to catch up with progress) and then a considerable recurrent investment of time to stay up-to-date.
If one is to be a polymath in a varied set of disciplines where overlap is minimal (see Leonardo), one would have to go through the mentioned process of acquiring and maintaining expertise for each discipline. This is different for a polymath in a set of closely-related disciplines, because there's only so much more (compared to being expert in one discipline) one needs to do to be a polymath because there's a lot of overlap. But it is debatable whether that even counts as a polymath, a point raised in:
> Is Judith Butler’s supposed eminence in ‘philosophy, linguistics and politics’ enough to qualify her?
On the other hand, I think society increasingly projects an expectation of this, that someone cannot possess skills in multiple areas, where areas are increasingly narrowly defined. I think in part this plays a role in stress over higher education, in that a degree is seen as a skill certificate (that is, a statement about what someone can do) rather than an opportunity to learn (that is, a statement about what someone has done).
Specialisation came to the fore during the Industrial Revolution and achieved a form of preeminence in the 20th Century that hadn’t existed elsewhere in human history when knowing, at depth, a wide variety of skills and disciplines was either essential for survival or in order to be considered a well-rounded individual.
The internet, not without ongoing battles against vested interests, has solved the discoverability challenge faced with approaching the wealth of knowledge created in the past few centuries. For many of us aspiring polymaths (and I agree with the other comments here that a polymath isn’t someone who knows “everything about everything“, but rather knows “a lot about a lot” or “enough about enough”) the challenge is mental and societal.
We convince ourselves that we must specialize to succeed; most schools and many workplaces promote the same. Yet creativity and insight so often depends on interdisciplinary knowledge and the ability to use our brains to connect novel ideas.
It’s not the right choice for everyone. If you want to be the best in the world (or the top 1%) at something, then specialize. But most of us are more varied than that, which has benefits for us as business owners, or employees, and as humans.
― Robert A. Heinlein
It's a decent description of a hyper competent person, but I wouldn't say a "deep generalist" in the sense of someone who has prolific knowledge of many different fields of human knowledge.
In part, that’s to set an achievable first goal - most of the audience are probably already there in 1 or 2 fields, so it’s not insurmountable for them to progress, and hopefully from there they have the success to keep going wide as well as deep.
If I had to add a stronger definition it would be more onerous than that; but at the same time, I’m not keen to be a gatekeeper playing the ‘No True Scotsman’ game - I just feel people would be happier if they pursued their interests and let curiosity guide them, and that we would probably achieve more commercially and creatively if we embraced that part of our natural desires.
A question on my mind is how is "different domains" defined (a loose definition and/or positive and negative examples would be OK):
* Running and swimming?
* Playing violin and singing?
* User Experience designer and sketch artist?
* Neuroscience and machine learning?
* Music and dancing?
* Programming and chess?
* Hardware and software?
* Music and sketching?
* Engineering and medicine?
* Physics and gymnastics?
:-)
Thanks.
The word is polymath, like polyglot. We don't expect a polyglot to speak all languages.
Leonardo won't have known everything either.
I dont understand the polymath moniker, it seems to be a British definition that elucidates a role in life that requires multiple high level skills without describing where that applies in modern life. As if it were a position one could attain rather than a useful, purposeful skill.
Tech leads like Jobs described art and science at the highest level as the same thing. He demonstrated in production, high level knowledge in both distinct categories, but would likely never be discussed by the Brits.
Its strange to see someone like Stephen Fry being described as a polymath, when he works as a quiz show host and author. He is paid to learn and recite that learning independent of its application in society.
I prefer the older British term 'expert generalist' as it seems more accurate and discusses people who applied their learning more frequently.
> I [suspect] that we are throwing more and more of our resources, including the cream of our youth, into financial activities remote from the production of goods and services, into activities that generate high private rewards disproportionate to their social productivity. I suspect that the immense power of the computer is being harnessed to this 'paper economy', not to do the same transactions more economically but to balloon the quantity and variety of financial exchanges.
The adage "Popular does not equal good" has never been more relevant.
Eh, it depends. It's not true that popular ==> good, but I think there are plenty of areas where it's more true than it used to be that good ==> popular. For example, many more people now have a much better chance to get an education and demonstrate aptitude in some area. And better communication means talent is better matched to opportunity.
That's not to say we're really optimizing human potential. That doesn't even seem close to true. But I think we're doing a lot better than we were even 50 years ago.
I see many smart naysayer's on HN who argue "this would never work" or "this is considered bad practice" without offering some alternative idea. In fact, this is probably the most common type of comment. While they are usually correct, this is the exact opposite of how a polymath thinks. Polymaths have a confidence in their own ideas and a desire to explore and build a mental model for themselves before taking the tribal wisdom at face value. Thinking via first principles comes innately to these types.
Accelerated learning tech will open the polymath doors again.
Accelerated learning is fascinating because learning today is so inefficient. Combine that with the massive knowledge that accumulates over the years.
Elon Musks said it himself. Along with Solar Energy, Mars colonization, AI, knowledge acquisition needs to be disrupted. Something like bio-technology with transplanted chips.
Reading books is a very old way, and it doesn't scale well. Listening to podcast isn't very efficient either. Gamification has not been effective enough so far.
You can also see it in "Matrix", when training in a virtual world with a karate-training program that interacts directly with the brain. As you do when dreaming, but in an interactive way.
In the "Fifth Element", there's also a scene where Milla Jovovich (an advanced being) learn all Human History in a matter of hours/minutes with accelerated reading/watching the Internet.
I'm sure there are many other examples of people putting "accelerated learning" as one feature of the future.
(And I'm already excited to be there.)