It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent?
Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?
OnlyFans seems to get rid of the middlemen in the porn / cam girl industry, I think that's a massive benefit for sex workers today.
We lack studies on this in the US. I'd argue that most people who are involved in an illegal profession (in the US at least) often doing so for lack of viable alternatives.
In other countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, it seems is less likely to be a profession of last resort.
> Do you have a similar moral problem with people doing other jobs out of desperation, like back breaking labor?
Very much so.
Therefore, it stands to reason that it be, maybe not illegal, but definitely very heavily encouraged for people to stay home. It's one of the few cases where I am pro-government power (as much as it kills me inside to say).
If I came across as overly combative in my last comment I'd like to apologize, that was not my intention.
I have more respect for a sex worker than someone who builds unconstitutional mass surveillance tools. At least most sex work is legal.
I think the only "blurred moral line" wrt sex work is that folks who were supportive of gay rights, marijuana legalization, and other individual freedoms then pump the brakes on their social libertarianism as soon as the chance to support a vulnerable population appears that may actually require politely but firmly disagreeing with folks they personally know.
That's what I'm trying to poke at here in these comments. It's almost as if you do not support sex work/aren't ok with the theory of having it in your household, you're the enemy. You aren't cool, you're behind the curve, and you need to work on yourself to get your views more in line with the rest of the more liberal folk. That's how it reads to me anyway.
Most political scientists reject the left right dichotomy altogether and use a "political compass" instead. You seem to be posting from the "authoritarian right" quadrant:
https://www.politicalcompass.org
Maybe if you adjusted your attitudes based on data, rather than insist your views are right because they are your views, you'd feel less uncool or "behind the curve".
1. the right have their political compass point to Christianity, guns, less government, anti-homosexuality, anti-abortion
2. the left have their compass point to redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor for social programs through taxes, support for transgenders, democratic socialism, etc.
I just feel like the 'compass' thing is saying what is already obvious in a different fashion. Am I missing something?
Good damned question. Sex work is work.
I don't find sex work in and of itself immoral. That is of course an opinion.
On the other hand... It's another subculture in and of itself. And unfortunately, it's a subculture that often rewards immoral behavior and/or pulls people down dark paths.
From the buying side, It's been interesting to see the different ways that sellers behave. The ways some of them cut corners and/or 'lightly cheat' clients is questionable. The worst form I've experienced is when you make a larger services purchase and it become obvious over the session that you just supported some bad chemical habit of theirs. But I've also had sellers try to cheat the clock.
And I've had MULTIPLE sellers violate my consent in hypnosis sessions.
But perhaps worst was initiating a relationship with a seller for 2 years, only to discover that she had a boyfriend (now fiance) out of state in med school. That's the one I collaborated with, turned out that I was really helping someone who lived in a guilded cage buy more toys for her, NOT helping her make ends meet.
And now, I live in constant worry that she'll start distributing the videos we made again. They were made such that they JUST fall out of my state's classification of Revenge porn. Perfect example of an Immoral seller. When COVID broke out she immediately started e-begging, claiming that she couldn't make her car payments (which I knew was a lie on multiple levels.)
And yet, less than a month later she's posting more fancy outfits, gadgets, etc. that she's purchased.
From the seller's perspective:
- You get scammers too.
- You're living on the edge of acceptable behavior. If you're not using a payment service that approves of your work, One properly targeted set of emails from a disgruntled customer could lead to any uncollected money.
- You have to be -very- careful about your online life. Lots of sellers keep their real life online profiles as locked down as possible, lest someone find their real identity via image search algos.
- You get a lot of people who will either waste your time, troll, or outright harass you.
Which, if anything is what concerns me about the business as a whole. Someone else on HN pointed out in another thread that once you perform one bad act, many times you have to perform another bad act to cover up the first.
I've watched sellers go from kind to cruel after going through the industry for a while. It does change people, and not for the better.
I'm not really familiar with this space, so forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what does this refer to?
Do people buy hypnotism from cam folksover video chat? And if so, what would constitute a breach of consent?
If that's too personal to ask, I apologize and respect your privacy.
I genuinely know nothing about hypnotism, and it's been quite a few years since any of my friends were camming, so I'm genuinely curious.
Well it's like anything else in that trade, some people like live, some would rather pre-order custom made content. Hypnosis is a big rabbit hole I'd rather not get too far into and we're already on the fringe of HN's overton window. One example might be trying to implant suggestions to give them more money.
Maybe the best analogy would be that a good hypnotist is a almost like a FAANG in living human form; They're just trying to convince you to do/think something. And, well, there's some things you just don't want to be sold. :)
OTOH, In general, even sex-positive people often (and have a right to) prefer to keep the details of their escapades as to themselves as possible.
I -do- think there's a lot of room here for better platforms for sellers -and- buyers, but it's an industry nobody wants to get into because of all the bookkeeping and risk involved.
It's something I want to disagree with, except I can see that there is more truth to it than not, even if it goes against what I believe the world should be.