Musk: Tesla will 'immediately' leave California over coronavirus shutdowns

He claims otherwise. His rockets seem to work quite well. https://youtu.be/cIQ36Kt7UVg?t=175

That's a pretty absurd slur.

If you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then you're defining the term so narrowly it stops being interesting. Biographies of him are quite clear that when he decided to make SpaceX he spent a very long period of time indeed doing nothing but reading rocket science textbooks; it was the knowledge of rocketry he gained by doing that which allowed him to realise which problems needed to be solved, that they could be solved, who could do the work to solve them and most importantly to gain the confidence of other rocket engine designers and convince them to join him. He pretty routinely engages in technical discussion about rockets, what happened, what went wrong etc.

That's on top of his experience as a software developer.

So if you're going to claim Musk isn't an engineer then really neither was Bill Gates, Larry Page, or other people who did some initial work and had some expertise in what their company did but rapidly became a professional executive.

Wikipedia has

>Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/; born June 28, 1971) is an engineer, industrial designer, technology entrepreneur, scientist and philanthropist

Still haters gonna hate.

Where?

As far as I know it's mostly VC and some product design leadership.

This statement sounds like Aristotle spontaneous generation.

But as I said your state borders are opened, so what's the end game? The whole Europe didn't just stop manufacturing (as a comparison), they just implemented distancing and sanitation rules etc.

I hear this regurgitated very often but I've never seen any evidence of this. Basic reasoning follows that there would be some drop in cases as a result of the forced closure of all non-essential businesses, but due to the universal nature of the closures I'm not aware of any way to quantify how much it's helping. It could very well be that widespread social distancing and voluntary measures could produce a similar outcome. Is there any study that confirms or debunks this?

You're getting mixed up between figures and then attacking people who understand them better. Please give the benefit of the doubt!

There are two figures being widely reported for deaths:

1. Total excess mortality of all causes

2. "COVID deaths"

The claim was about (2) and so that's what my points were about.

Excess death is up, yes. There's a disease, it does cause people to die, especially if they're already vulnerable.

Arguments about the all cause mortality spikes are different and not related to the arguments for over-counting of "COVID deaths", which isn't a conspiracy theory but rather actual stated government policy [1]. The figure for "COVID deaths" includes cases where it's merely assumed that the death was caused by COVID. No test or even evidence need be cited. If doctors are completely reliable this wouldn't be a problem, but they get a 20% payment incentive when patients are claimed to be COVID patients [2].

If you're curious about the arguments surrounding all-cause mortality, the problem is that stay-at-home orders have been taken very literally by many sick people. Hospital admissions went down, not up, during this time, because people who should have been going to the emergency room for treatment got scared and stayed away. In the UK, the government just dropped the "stay at home" slogan it's been relentlessly promoting for weeks because - amongst other things - cardiac admissions halved, and doctors are now sounding the alarm about the huge oncoming wave of necessary life-saving treatments that were delayed in the expectation of a COVID surge that never happened. The NHS can't absorb a huge wave like that, because the needed treatments are so varied so you can't just throw up uniform field hospitals like they tried for COVID. In the UK the ONS is already reporting thousands of excess deaths not linked to COVID [3] even though being "linked to COVID" literally requires no evidence at all.

There are very real problems here.

[1] https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1246124190438227974?...

[2] https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1251898539107594244?...

[3] https://medium.com/wintoncentre/covid-and-excess-deaths-in-t...

Tesla can’t sell cars direct to customers in Texas either. California has actually been pretty friendly for Tesla, the shutdown must be hurting their business significantly for Musk to react like this.