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> Are user processes allowed to run after logout? Which DNS to use during startup? What logging in should look like? In each such case, existing behavior which was widely considered as not broken was replaced by a different behavior, often even without an escape hatch. The new behavior(s) in such cases should be made possible, but the default should be the old behavior.

All those examples you gave are possible to disable in systemd, and in the case of DNS and user process after logout, they are not even the default.

: Killing of user process are enabled by default in upstream but disabled by default in every distro that I know. And systemd-resolved, even if it is build by default, is not enabled by default even in upstream.

Good thing sanity prevails in distro maintainers! But not in upstream, as you duly note.

I also remember that even 2-3 years ago the situation was not as nice yet.

I think what became systemd could have been great software, if not for the, mmm, cavalier attitude of its creators (not necessarily personal; it might be amended by RH corporate deadlines).

"Not in upstream" doesn't seem to correspond with the comment you replied to.

Quoting: "Killing of user process are enabled by default in upstream but disabled by default in every distro that I know."

I really shouldn't write HN comments right after waking up.

The fact that `KillUserProcess` is default to on is not something that systemd forces to your distro, there is even a flag to disable it at build time. It does makes sense in many situations (like IoT, embedded, etc.), that is why it is on, but distro mantainers also needs to know what is better for its users (that anyway is a really small part of Linux users, embedded is much bigger).

resolved has been enabled in Ubuntu for years and in the next Fedora.

This is a decision of your distro mantainers, they could also default to unbound, dnsmasq, bind, or anything else. They use systemd-resolved because it probably solves some problem for them, even if this problem is reduced burden of maintenance.

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