Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22353309
Frankly, I don't think these videos alone are the highest quality evidence of this kind of thing, but they are interesting because it is difficult to dispute the credibility of the witnesses and the timeline of events described by them. Usually you get some tangible evidence (video) or solid witness testimony, not both at the same time.
I've never clearly seen anything with my own two eyes that I couldn't explain in prosaic terms. However, I know groups of people saner than I who have, and science suggests its highly improbable we are the only planet with life [0], let alone the first one to evolve a sophisticated civilization. People come up with Great Filter hypotheses and what not to compensate, but considering we may be less than a century from self sustaining space stations, that hypothesis is running out of air for its only known test trial.
It kind of sucks to think we don't really have manifest destiny with the universe, but the burden of proof is on the skeptics to prove there are some really damning parameters for the Drake Equation before saying it is so unlikely that there are aliens in our neighborhood.
[0] https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1350/are-we-alone-in-the-un...
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.02404.pdf
Done and done.
The jump between space stations and interstellar travel is huge. I agree that it's improbable that we're the only planet with life, but being visited by aliens is as, if not more, improbable.
Consider the age of the universe, our (humanity, with the ability to apprehend the existence of alien life) existence in it is but a blip. What are the odds that one or several forms of life capable of interstellar travel exist during that same time period, not before or after. That alone, among myriad other reasons, makes me pessimistic.
This is an amazing explanation.
If this is the explanation, why didn't the Pentagon just say so?
The Go Fast video being wrapped up in this matter leads me to conclude that the Navy didn't try very hard to figure out that video, which leaves me with no reason to believe they tried harder with the others.
[1] "NAR" in the upper left, and https://forums.vrsimulations.com/support/index.php/A/A_Forwa...
As the plane flies over the balloon it is going to need to move the camera to keep it centred. When it does this the balloon remains centered (stationary) whilst the ground appears to move under it. However its just that the angle the camera is at had to change to keep the balloon centered giving the allusion that the ground is moving relative to the balloon.
Same group claims USAF officers showed up demanding the E-2 Hawkeye tapes before they could even be secured. Did they use teleports or HALO to board a carrier that quick?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and these aren’t it. Tell me where the AF or VQ (Navy) ELINT aircraft were or what direction the antennas on St. Nicholas island were pointed.
The fact that one of the videos is called gimbal and another FLIR Forward Looking InfraRed), tells us that Pentagon knows those are artifacts and most likely those are training videos on how to distinguish artifacts from a real thing.
Personally, I think it's some black-budget government project that somebody wasn't supposed to reveal. It might be from us, it might be foreign. But I really dont believe its extraterrestrial.
To be fair, for the last video which shows telemetry data on the screen, he does explain what it means and how it shows that the object being tracked is actually stationary or moving very slowly.
As for the highly trained professional pilot's reactions, check out this breakdown of that last video, in which the pilots are freaking out. It show from the visual data readouts that it's a small object slightly above ambient temperature that's about 1m across flying very slowly at about 2k altitude. Oh and if you look closely at the object, you can see slow rhythmic oscillations, known in the technical community as 'flapping'.
That's a good one.
It's almost as if, the possibilities opened by it being unidentified are so scary (why?), you need to distort and pervert the normal faculties of reason and logic and kowtow to faith in a YouTube prophet who's gonna spin a nice story to make it all sound okay.
BTW, if you are feeling confident and like you can out-identify your defense forces, at least pick a theory that fits the data, rather than selectively ignoring inconvenient data.
I notice that all these prophets/conspiracy theorists, like Ms West and Mr Thunder, ignore that the aviators and radar tech have stated that there were fleets of these objects, coming in for days at a time, dropping from above 80kft to see level.
So fleets of weather balloons, space birds, or bird shit storms, that's really where you're going with this?
Good luck.
That's exactly what they want their adversaries to think so adversaries are going invest a ridiculous amount of resources in achieving projected but non-existing capabilities.
Japan's FOMO reaction is proof this genius form of inception is working. The authority fallacy never fails at scale.
Excluding a range of possibilities with a reasonable amount of certainty is a very expensive exploration quest. After concluding it was all a wild goose chase it is still superior to nudge your adversaries in a direction that doesn't exclude this specific range of opportunities.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCV...
For example
Explains how the camera's automatic tracking system contributes to the appearance of movements which aren't real at all.
Or:
how the appearance of the "fast movement" is actually due to the plane speed, not the speed of the object observed, which is almost certainly something simple like a weather balloon
...and much more details there.
This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments --
A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens, the Nazca lines to our GOB's) by driving circles in it could do so today in a truck with active-torque differentials, wireless radiofrequency entry and activation, catalytic conversion of exhausts, an on-board diagnostic computer, turbocharging engine, liquid crystal display and a cmos camera, radar-based cruise control, lidar detector, GPS navigation relying on atomic-clock level timing precision..... without needing to know a thing about how even a single one of those components actually worked, and could be stopped by simple stone bollards.
“Buzz them?” Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life difficult for him.
“Yeah,” said Ford, “they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one’s ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises.”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7320721-teasers-are-usually...
It seems likelier that we are too far from interstellar civilisations to be visited by them, or that there's no interstellar civilisations because of a Great Filter, or even simply that earth is not interesting enough for them to visit. Or worse, they do visit, but the human race is not interesting enough for them to make their presence known to it.
But I would imagine that an interstellar civilization that has discovered thousands of life-bearing planets would start to develop some criteria about what type of life is interesting or not. It could just be that nothing on Earth meets the criteria to be interesting.
Why apply concepts like "rogue", "mission", "rules", or even "individuals"? There's no guarantee such ideas mean anything to these things. For all we know, the UFOs themselves are not actual artificial spacecraft, but "biological" entities. Or autonomous drones.
Or they're not even extraterrestrial, but visitors from the future. Or some sort of interdimensional phenomenon. Or they're some sort of mythological being out of human religion- perhaps Abrahamic entities like the Angels of Mons. Or that they're the manifestation of mankind's collective unconsciousness, a sort of high-level tulpa. Or they're just some kind of weird unknown cosmic particle, a high-altitude form of quantum ball lightning.
Those possibilities are tongue-in-cheek, but my point is that if you're going to start assuming that UFOs are just spacecraft from an unknown alien race... then you start making assumptions upon assumptions and the whole thing just devolves into science fiction tropes. And honestly, those tropes are no more probable than the crazy Fortean explanations I've offered. It's fun to talk about, but why take these thought experiments seriously?
But if you're going to discuss the hypotheticals, like why they might visit or reveal themselves or not, I think it's interesting.
Why assume they would just show themselves openly?
Sure, people use the lack of "public open mass contact" to dispute that ETs exist. But that's only 1 theory that fits that data point (but doesn't fit the centuries of accounts, and now video evidence of sky vehicles).
I think it's interesting to consider many other reasons why we have not had "mass open contact":
- humans are idiots and we're not worth the effort. Has a representative of any country ever gone to an ant hill and done an official representation species-to-species? But actually ants are pretty clever, so it does not do them justice.
- maybe they're private and sensitive, and scared of our germs.
- maybe they're just not very sociable. They prefer to stick with their own kind.
- maybe they don't care that it would be a "big thing" for Earth/humanity. To them, using portals to travel the universe is not a big thing.
- maybe they are doing "secret surveillance" to observe the Earth lifeforms and they don't want to distort the data by interacting
- It would mess us up to much. Prime directive.
- Our world government thinks it would mess us up/ mess up the status quo too much, and they negotiated a "stay" on open contact.
- The ETs have no interest in suppressing nor promoting us, they just use Earth/Moon/Solar system as some sort of transit point, and openly revealing themselves would complicate their goals.
- There has been mass contact, in small stages, but it's been so muddied by disinfo and shaming that people think there hasn't been.
You can spend all day thinking about reasons for and against. It's fun, but it doesn't address the video evidence and "contact" accounts. Why not a #"Me Too" moment for UFO contactees? Doesn't everyone have a right to be heard and believed before being subjected to further scrutiny and investigation in order to establish believability?
Going by our own immediate galactical neighborhood, we're a veritable oasis in a desert as far as life is concerned.
So maybe they've mapped out the galaxies, discovered our little planet, and decided that it's too little reward for too much travel.
Edit: unless they all do dating back to the Cold War, and it’s “shoot first, ask questions later.”
Not to mention legitimate targets like Gary Powers.
For example, Project Serpo, some conspiracy theory about a secret space mission in the 1960-1970s. Somehow decades later this convinced a well known former CIA employee. Who later claimed he was naive to be associated with them.
This led to an unusual case of a current CIA employee leaking emails denying that the former DDI and Chairman of the NIC was involved with the Serpo hoax or the other CIA employee.
That employee quit the CIA in 1982 but was later affiliated with the DDI through medical research.
In the emails, described a meeting at CIA that occurred after the 1988 NBC broadcast of UFO: Cover-Up Live. Mentioned with two Colonels and the dubious AFOSI character who allegedly ran the original Serpo hoax for the Air Force. This person is the focus of the documentary Mirage Men. He also worked for Robert Bigelow and employed the chief scientist to Tom DeLonge’s company.
That scientist was introduced to DeLonge by the former CIA employee who fell for the later Serpo hoax.
The story is confusing but who would spend all this time on this? If you look closely, all the scientists involved even the Stanford guy, are kind of true believers. The rest are con-artists or deceived by a quest to uncover a great secret or technology.
Here is the 1988 broadcast, Falcon and Condor are around 1h10m. Falcon is the Serpo hoaxer AFOSI agent and Condor is a retired Air Force captain. There’s no covert conspiracy here, just a bunch of weird people who claims fantastic things. There’s no prime mover just human nature (ie disinformation, intelligence traps and scams)-
After those Navy UFO videos were released and I learned that the crank Harold Puthoff was involved, it became a much more interesting story. I'm surprised there isn't a book about the whole weird saga.
If they’re not another nation’s tech, and not ours, my pet theory is the us government has no idea what they are beyond they exist and are spooky.
They cover it up / stigmatize for a banal reason: admitting there’s something they neither understand nor can control is not something governments like to do.
The U.S. Navy videos are intriguing but very far from conclusive. And yet they are likely withholding a ton more data that citizens should have access to.
If it's all a cover story for top secret stuff, then it's likely an unnecessary deception. I doubt any U.S. military project is actually safe from Chinese and Russian spies. So all they're doing is increasing the sense of distrust between U.S. citizens and their own government.
Modern people don't want to live in the Cold War secrecy paranoia of the last century. The U.S. military should focus on what really matters and leave that toxic cold war culture behind.
Your doubt is reasonable, based on the string of mishaps this past decade, but likely not the case given the nature of compartmentalization. Also, appearing weak when actually strong is a strategy. It’s quite possible the USG has amassed futuristic tech in secret, while playing the fool.
Probably not all, but some.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-...
> I doubt any U.S. military project is actually safe from Chinese and Russian spies.
Governments are interested in keeping the truth from others than just nation states. Their own citizens for instance, as article points out.
Though best read then watch Canadian response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XZ9R2TUq94
Always makes me chuckle.
Many countries initially attempted to deal independently with the aliens. In August 1998, Japan established an anti-alien combat force; the Kiryu-Kai. Equipped with Japanese-made fighter aircraft, the Kiryu-Kai certainly looked like a powerful force. However, after 5 months of expensive operations they had yet to intercept their first UFO. The lesson was clear: this was a worldwide problem which could not be dealt with by individual countries.
On December 11, 1998, representatives from the worlds most economically powerful countries gathered secretly in Geneva. After much debate, the decision was made to establish a covert independent body to combat, investigate and defeat the alien threat. This organization would be equipped with the world's finest pilots, soldiers, scientists and engineers, working together as one multi-national force. This organization was named the Extraterrestrial Combat Unit."
The simple logical conclusion is that footage of rare but real events ought to be more readily available.
And in fact, that's exactly what's observed! There is now a wide variety of high quality videos to choose from, if what you want to see is things like bright meteors. They're real, in the sky, fleeting, and rare. We now have hundreds, maybe even thousands, of full colour, high resolution, in-focus videos of them.
Flying saucers? Not one.
In the years to come people will forget that during this time we saw no reliable proof, and fall for bullshti clickbait fake videos.
Secondly, meteors aren't rare. Go anywhere with a clear sky and you can see shooting stars many times pretty much every night of the week.
Thirdly, there are plenty of pictures and videos of flying saucers, balls, lights, etc. out there, but everyone's response is "that's fake". I mean, that's the correct response, but your argument is wrong in light of that.
My gut says it’s Chinese or Russian tech but it’s admittedly fun to speculate.
https://www.higgypop.com/news/is-the-utah-ufo-fake/
https://www.unilad.co.uk/science/drone-footage-shows-ufo-tra...
https://youtu.be/AKC_Iaw9EN4?t=199
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrAntonioUrzi/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/myparanormalufostory/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDQ-v0N1p0
And some man-made "TR-3B Astra" triangle footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnUpJw5sahg&feature=emb_titl...
Which is IR. I think the IR videos are the most promising, since high quality IR tech is restricted and optical camo could explain why sightings happen infrequently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8
Also, the interviews about Navy/5gon UFO videos have stated that the original footage was much higher resolution and showed some "protuberances" coming from the TicTac, like landing struts or whatever. The also said that the released footage was much lower resolution and also that it was unlikely the radar data would ever be released (but in other cases, JAL, Belgium, there have been radar data of anomalous objects released).
I don't think it's surprising that it's hard to get great quality footage of high tech things like this.
For the following reasons:
- the large number of cameras you mention are mostly low quality cameras
- the objects are supposed to be very fast
- the objects are often very far away
- the object might use optical camo
For example, if you are sitting on the ground in high visibility day with bright sunlight and you see a 737 in the sky at 10km it will look like a mostly translucent white speck. The obvious thing will be the contrail.
If you have an object smaller than that, faster than that, and even higher than that, you'll have a worse image.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8RLOdlrA7l4/TEAMaZ4LhjI/AAAAAAAAD0...
https://www.elitereaders.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ufo-...
https://newsinstact.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/3-news-uf...
This has clips from multiple videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=0CYFEZFNl6E...
The story has at least been vetted by ABC News, who reported that this sighting caused the Xiaoshan Airport in Hangzhou to shut down.
2) Serve them tea
[EDIT ADD WOTW reference for those who missed out upon that at school] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds
God, I hate that movie.