The US Navy Admits UFO Videos Are Real
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"Researchers working with high-power laser weapons discovered that they could create a glowing ball of fire in the sky by crossing the beams of two powerful infrared lasers…By moving the laser beams around the sky, the researchers found they could shift the plasma ball back and forth at very high speed…. At night, they demonstrated their skills, flying their glowing creations in formation high above the cold desert."
I didn't see the turbulent / frothy part of the video, but could imagine there being reflection creating visual illusions or the heat / microwave emissions of the plasma [2] causing mirage diffraction, mild steam, or even wind effects on the surface - the latter could be caused by oscillating laser patterns used to produce more plasma effects via increasing mass - ie laser plasma lowers localized air mass, but moving around slightly could energize more air mass to produce a far larger effect once energy isn't the gating factor.
[1] Which could be from a 1MW or more laser setup, to my knowledge 60kW is the largest anti-missile laser, but with big multi-diode / multi-optic arrays this would be possible)
[2] https://www.slashgear.com/super-powerful-laser-creates-plasm...
"They looked down at the sea and also noticed a turbulent oval area of churning water with foam and frothy waves "the size of a Boeing 737 airplane"[14] with a smoother area of lighter color at the center, as if the waves were breaking over something just under the surface.[14] A few seconds later, they noticed an unusual object hovering with erratic movements at a height they estimated to be about 50 feet (15 m) above the churning water. Both Fravor[15] and Slaight later described the object as a large bright white Tic Tac, 30 to 46 feet (9.1 to 14.0 m) long, with no windshield nor porthole, no wing nor empennage, and no visible engine nor exhaust plume."
So they noticed a disturbance in the water that appeared to be caused by something under the surface, and it was only then that they noticed the tictac object hovering above the ocean. Whatever you make of it, it's very strange.
That link is super cool, but I imagine that if you scaled it up to the point where it produced a uniform plasma orb 30+ feet in diamater (would love to see the napkin math on how much energy this would take), the visible light from the plasma would be blinding, which was definitely not what the pilots described.
And honestly given the way things tend to happen in this universe I don't know if it's all that valid.
It's just weird to see people pull it out during a debate as a legitimate argument.
Here's another (personal) theory: the "UFO" is actually the result of the jet's own laser weapon/defense system which is why the pan rate is so consistent in the videos - i.e. it's aimed by the pilot himself.
See this article:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/us-air-force-laser-f...
The specific "tic tac" appearance may just be what the effect ends up looking like - see the picture in this article for a tic tac-looking laser plasma ball: https://www.slashgear.com/super-powerful-laser-creates-plasm...
> This comment on ArsTechnica on the same subject links to some videos which have nice explanations for the videos: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/navy-releases-three-... Basically lens flare, balloon, and a plane.
The video links there are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Btns91W5J8&t=7s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M&t=20s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1oTg0kxzDs .
Every day objects that find themselves at the right place and time in completely different setting from when they are normally seen, at drastically different scales, they confound our minds because they break patterns our minds are built to recognize.
It's probably not aliens. It's probably not a hot air balloon. Be more skeptical. Allow things to be unexplained if no explanation is sufficient. When every video someone links points to the same video, your warning lights should be going off.
The Pentagon and Navy would not have released these as "UFOs" if a game developer watching blurry footage could have told them what they were.
The reason this tech will never be publicly released: they are flying nuclear hazmat nightmares. They put out an identifiable form of radiation when they operate. They can be detected, once you know how they run.
And we already have something better, there are rumors about newer ones with a better tech, but I dont quite understand the technical claims they make for how those work. Something about pulsed lasers and antimatter, the phrase Schwinger limit kept showing up.
Anyway, go buy an old Levitron off of Ebay, set it on your desk, any whenever you feel glum about the future, give it a spin and remember that its a hand powered UFO.
I remember spartan looking websites with thorough and somewhat level headed journalism and research made by often highly educated hobbyists into the history of all kinds of stuff from CIA to Oluf Palme, from Göbekli Tepe to the backside of geopolitics.
This is probably partly my mind playing tricks on me but what stood out was the depth of research, the common courtesy and the long well thought out replies people would write. People really had read the books, the docs, the papers and made up their minds from that.
Today so much gets derailed into superficial identity or tribal politics, completely bonkers conspiracy-fiction ala Inforwars or psyop bullshit that is hard to attach any messenger to.
Does anyone know where to get that hit of fringe without all of the hysteria and insanity today?
1) Engines requiring "tons of mercury" (and, presumably, more tons of thorium etc. dissolved in it) are likely to be heavier than competing technologies. For aircraft use, it's a significant drawback.
2)An engine that is based on heavy spinning parts might perhaps drive propellers, but military propeller aircraft have stopped being secret futuristic tech between 80 and 100 years ago.
3) Thorium is quite stable. How could its decay be exploited as a power source? Other radioactive elements, like the plutonium isotopes used in space probes (for heat production) offer a better compromise between stable enough to store and use as fuel and unstable enough to be weight-efficient.
4) Patent US20120105181A1 is illustrated with an actual Levitron toy. I'd assume it's a joke, but US20130175895A1 by the same author is a bit more interesting and along the same lines, and it has the appearance of egregious crackpot material (competing in the prestigious free energy/perpetual motion division).
Can you share with the rest of the class?
What is the superior strategy to this nation state other than sending adversaries on a similar resource waisting wild goose chase?
The game of power is completely different because communism practiced today has nothing in common with the communism of the USSR. Thus we cannot assume we are going to be lucky again our adversaries paradigm breaks and momentum is lost before they deplete their military capabilities.
Suggesting and half confirming an unknown unknown to an adversary is very efficient to expand this relative peaceful periode we live in. Every additional amount of resource adversaries waist on unachievable capabilities is an additional resource not invested capabilities that can be useful to tip the power balance.
Nobody wants a military arm race between global powers but I think it is naive to assume what we wish for is a reasonable reflection of how our reality is actually constructed.
Tl;dr it can simply be explained as a balloon drifting in the wind.
The debunker doesn't address the fact that in addition to the FLIR-lock, there was multiple visual and radar confirmations.
Something I've noticed with this recent dump of videos is the only people I personally know who are interested in convincing themselves that it is truly unexplainable are ones who have already claimed other videos represented UFOs as well. A lot of people have taken the "I want to believe" mantra to heart, and it has affected their ability to actually reason about what they are seeing.
The data seem to show a slow-moving object at a higher altitude. I'd trust the actual data over nebulous claims of an object appearing to be moving fast. It's hard and unreliable to judge an object by eye, and easy to fall prey to optical illusions.
A researcher YouTube already put together a video showing the unlikelihood that it’s extra terrestrial, and more of a visual phenomena of the camera they were testing out on these planes. If someone would be kind as to link it.
One thing that is not really explained is why experienced pilots would not be aware of the phenomena explained in this video. Seems to me they would experience this all the time.
fwiw I don't think it's actually an extraterrestrial object.
Very experienced pilots share similarities with very experienced engineers. Maybe the analogy I’m looking for is: an engineer might not know the capabilities and limitations of each peripheral device they use, but can still be experienced. Also bear in mind, that this type of piloting is a high-stakes job; extraterrestrial craft are arguably less common than those made on earth and the pilots probably take this into consideration.
That said, I think this this whole ordeal is really interesting. Reading the comments, I think the “lasers” and “plasma” stuff + dropping “vehicle” from the nomenclature (i.e. “unidentifiable aerial phenomenon”) is rather interesting.
The debunker misses a lot like multiple visual and radar confirmations on the target.
That's what UFO means - 'unidentified'.
Really?
What is amazing about this?
There have been thousands of UFO sightings over the past decades and a huge proportion of these have been explained. But not all. There are still a few sightings that we have no explanation for, there is nothing amazing about it.
Obviously, that doesn't mean these unexplained sightings are aliens, they are most likely natural phenomena we haven't figured out yet, but there's nothing remarkable about admitting we have no explanation for something.
I suppose there's a non-zero chance it's 2 instruments failing in precisely the same way in precisely the same spot at precisely the same time.
Stranger things have happened.
The logical conclusion is that it's neither. Given our current priors.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-...
If you’re testing someone’s active radar, you would want a prominent object to catch their attention, which then moves in increasingly erratic patterns until tracking fails.
The projected image/combined laser beam seems like a feasible way to achieve this, and I don’t think it takes a huge level of commitment from a national military to build one.
Maybe coincident lasers were being projected from submarines just beneath the surface.