Could a user tell it's happening? What signals would indicate this? Is it increased CPU usage disguised as a system process?
And are you talking about mainstream proprietary OS'es like MacOS and Windows? I already know a little about Intel ME and proprietary silicon, but I don't know where to find a proper analysis, or a blog or book that deep dives into the ramificitions of the existense of these backdoors.
It seems to also not be in the mainstream consciousness just how serious it could be?
I wrote in my comment:
> I already know a little about Intel ME and proprietary silicon
So yes this is true, I know only 'a little'. I have only understood that it is a small proprietary OS running underneath the user's OS. I guess from your comment I learned now that this means it is something you can only get at with a diagnostic tool, and it is outside the control of the user's operating system.
Yes I do not have a CS degree, and I am not a classically trained SWE. Instead I am a self-taught web app developer, with mainly skills in web apps, and not much knowledge yet around OS'es and computing hardware. Yet I am curious to go deeper into Intel ME, since it's existence and the consequences of that do affect me (since I have an intel chip in my computer), hence my questions.
You write:
> The mere fact that
This sounds like you're not wiling to step into a teaching role or share your insights. Do you think it is beneath you to answer questions? It sounds like you want to shame me for my technical incompetence in this area. Is this accurate? If yes, I would like to request that you please not reply to my posts, unless you answer my question authentically and with basic respect/kindness.
I wish HN was friendlier to beginners, or people willing to ask 'stupid' or 'naive' questions and who have a beginners mindset.
Text does not translate intention well... It was a 'really?' filled with curiosity, and an eagerness to try to understand what the original poster was basing his statements on (that the NSA and others can all use this backdoor). I feel that there is within me an eagerness to learn more. It was not meant as a snarky comment at all. Thanks for telling me how my comment came across to you! (not snarky again.)
It's not running underneath the user's OS. Both Intel ME and AMD's equivalent run on on a completely separate processor; think of it as a small CPU hidden next to the main CPU. This means that, for instance, "increased CPU usage" will not happen.
Damn that seems a sneaky strategy by Intel, especially since they retain the master key. So are all these big chipset manufacturers selling chips with this massive backdoor that not many people know about? Scary stuff.
Thank you for sharing this! If you know of any beginner-friendly sources on this, I'd be grateful to see those.
Do non-US based chipmakers like Samsung have a similar systems in their chips?
Intel AMT allows redirecting graphics output and keyboard/mouse/USB input over network connection. It's like a hardware device connected to HDMI port to capture screen and to USB ports to send inputs, but it's built right into the motherboard. It doesn't spawn a process in the operating system or use resources to any meaningful degree. The OS knows about AMT only what the hardware tells it, if anything at all.
Unlike software-based remote desktop solutions (VNC, TeamViewer), it's independent from the operating system. As long as the system is connected to power, AMT can run. You can log into a fully shut down computer, power it on and see boot logos and access BIOS before the OS even begins to load. You can use AMT to install operationg system on a PC with completely empty hard drive by virtually attaching a CD/DVD or USB install media.
It's extemely powerful management interface, but it's close-sourced and has a history of serious security flaws.
Mandatory disclaimer: it's highly recommended to keep the network port with active management interface isolated in a separate network with no internet access.