A young Venus had water for 2B years, habitable for longer than Mars
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Venus certainly seems scientifically neglected at the moment but hopefully this is going to change in the coming years [0]. If SpaceX manages to get somewhere with Starship though, we might see the most amazing things in space exploration in the future. While they are focused on Mars, I wouldn't rule out that with enough money, getting trips to Venus should be possible. Floating research stations dozens of kilometers above the surface of Venus? Researchers might even live inside a blimp as filled with air, it would float at an altitude of approximately 50km (the pressure is said to be about 1 bar up there). Ah, I'm getting carried away again ...
[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2020/02/14/nasa-g...
I still have fantasies about Venus being somehow a more likely [very] long-term prospect for terraforming, despite the planet's rotational problems. Seems like a thick atmosphere filled with (admittedly lethal) useful gases and potentially-organic compounds offers a much better resource than Mars' practical lack of a one.
Are you aware of wind velocities at an altitude high enough to get you 1 bar on Venus?
Think Goodyear blimp --
in hurricane Katrina.
OK, now that you've got a picture of that in mind --
double the wind speed.
This altitude is within the high-velocity "superrotation" region of the Venus atmosphere, where a constant wind moves at a velocity on the order of a hundred meters per second. This means that over the two days of the mission, the balloons traversed about 11,000 km, from the night hemisphere into the day hemisphere. About two days into the mission, the primary batteries were depleted, and contact was lost.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/201100...
Edit - According to this the zonal winds are ~60mph at certain elevations.
https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2014/44535/13-5079...
Venus is a hellscape by comparison to Earth, but we are incredibly resourceful apes with imaginations unbound by meagre constraints.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Altitude_Venus_Operationa...
As long as those risk takers understand what risks they're accepting, I say all the power to them.
I'd even consider it.
The issue is that I see extraterrestrial bases as being like research stations in Antarctica, except even less self-sufficient. Whenever you have a problem with something on Earth, you can always go down a level in technology, all the way back to the stone age if necessary. Your machine breaks down or gets stuck, you can get out of it and duct tape it, bash it with a rock, weld it. You have the whole industrial supply chain that goes back to digging things out of the dirt. It doesn't always work, but it's fundamentally different from anywhere off earth, where if your high tech solution fails, it's game over; either you're dead immediately, or you're dead eventually because a solution would take months or years to get from earth, or you're very, very lucky and you can get saved from earth at vast expense.
There are only two ways that make sense to me to actually create self-sufficient colonies - terraforming other celestial bodies, or modifying ourselves to suit them. But those aren't very near term, and the genre of science fiction that doesn't involve either isn't, I think going to ever become reality.
I'll update the comment when I have better numbers.
Update:
Using volumes from one of the SpaceX-subreddits [0], I get a total volume of about 2500m³. An evacuated volume displacing 1m³ of carbon dioxide [1] at 1 bar and ambient temperature could lift a mass of 1.8kg. So the total volume of Starship could lift a mass of ~4.5t. It's got a dry mass of far over 100t though.
[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/fm735a/starsh...
[1] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=carbon+dioxide+density...
I'll do it as long as I get an unlimited R&R budget with total legal immunity for the last month before unidirectional egress
This thread where he produces updated imagery from the Soviet Venus landing is great [1]. He's also seemingly made a bunch of progress on his upcoming book [2]. He used to post everything to his website at mentallandscape.com, and it's still up for useful history / structure, but all his work for the past decade seems to be solely on Twitter (until the book happens!).
[1] https://twitter.com/DonaldM38768041/status/12346581956682670...
[2] https://twitter.com/DonaldM38768041/status/12487923285143674...
Usually the Web, including Wikipedia, and outside of perhaps Library Genesis, is shockingly shallow and out-of-date. It’s usually not even capable of providing a basic list of major works like this, let alone the contents, unless you stumble on some academic’s page that happens to provide it, which is increasingly hard to do through search.
A moon would be constantly stirring the magma which might have given it tectonics.