Vitamin D Insufficiency is Prevalent in Severe Covid-19
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I've heard that many times over the years and I have taken a Vitamin D supplement on and off (more off than on) over the years.
When this COVID-19 thing first hit, I had a physical scheduled (by chance) just about the same time, and I'd heard about this Vitamin D / COVID-19 connection, so when I went in for my physical, I asked my doctor to order a Vitamin D test as part of my bloodwork.
As it turns out, I was indeed very deficient in Vitamin D. I started taking 4000 IU a day and it's had a noticeable impact on my overall sense of wellbeing. It could, of course, be placebo effect even so. And I have no particular reason to think that it will make any difference one way or the other in terms of me getting COVID-19. But I thought it was worth pointing out one more anecdote that suggests that the old "Vitamin D is worth supplementing" refrain might just be true.
If you're in doubt, and it's an option, do what I did... just ask your doctor to run a Vitamin D test next time you go in for a checkup / physical.
I got my blood checked last year and decided I should probably actually know if I'm doing too much or too little. I was within 5% of the middle of the healthy range for vitamin D levels. For reference, 5,000 IU is >800% the FDA daily recommended value. People with indoor jobs and hobbies are probably not getting enough.
Unfortunately the daily recommended value was established erroneously and should be much higher. Many research papers mention this. For example:
> The Institute of Medicine recommendation for adults younger than 70 years of age is 600 IU of vitamin D daily. We are told that this would achieve a level of 50 nmol/L in greater than 97.5% of individuals.6 Regrettably, a statistical error has resulted in erroneous recommendations by the Institute of Medicine leading to this conclusion and it might actually take 8800 IU of vitamin D to achieve this level in 97.5% of the population.7 This is a serious public health blunder.
From the 2015 paper, Vitamin D for influenza
> A colleague of mine and I have introduced vitamin D at doses that have achieved greater than 100 nmol/L in most of our patients for the past number of years, and we now see very few patients in our clinics with the flu or influenzalike illness. In those patients who do have influenza, we have treated them with the vitamin D hammer, as coined by my colleague. This is a 1-time 50 000 IU dose of vitamin D3 or 10 000 IU 3 times daily for 2 to 3 days. The results are dramatic, with complete resolution of symptoms in 48 to 72 hours. One-time doses of vitamin D at this level have been used safely and have never been shown to be toxic.8 We urgently need a study of this intervention. The cost of vitamin D is about a penny for 1000 IU, so this treatment costs less than a dollar.
Wow. Why isn't this more prominent on the covid radar?
The other thing to make sure of while taking Vitamin D is to take adequate Vitamin K2(menaquinone), else you land up with kidney stones. For continued benefits, I also take some amount of sodium borate and magnesium. Anyway, this is my irregular regimen and you will need to talk to your doc before you do this.
Get tested, meet a doc, get the right dose, and understand how it works.
Less sun exposure in general.
The one difference is during winter, your basically go to work in the dark and arrive home in the dark as well.
For instance, in this comment from six days ago I write about a possible vitamin D connection:
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YouTube's response is now to simply remove videos containing misinformation while previous policies have seen most related content demonetized. Examples provided by the executive include videos claiming that people can be cured by taking vitamin C or turmeric. Neither has been proven to act as a cure according to the wider health community.
Another example of prominent videos that are being removed, she continues, are those related to 5G as an underlying cause. The policy changes, like the rise of those conspiracy theories, have had to be rapid. As a result, for the time being, Videos that contain claims in direct opposition to information provided by WHO will be removed as well.
YouTube hopes that by removing conspiracy theories and misinformation, it can help keep users better informed.
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While it may squash some of the stupider and more dangerous ideas floating around right now, it tosses the baby out with the bathwater and harms important discussion about whether those in charge right now do actually have their information right.
Has been always like this with censorship.
How many cases have they seen? N = what value?
Also, in terms of number of studies, it's N = 1.
I'm not saying it's not a good idea. I'm saying let's get more data before we proclaim it from the roof tops.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0235/v1
There may be others, I haven't really been looking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11073753?dopt=Abstract
Studies using much higher amounts of zinc do not show larger effects than this. The duration reduction in the above study was 28% while studies using 200 mg found a reduction of 35%:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20542704176942...
Simply put, it does not make sense to multiply the dose by a factor of sixteen in order to improve effectiveness by 20%.
Yet I don't know exactly what GP is talking about. There are loads of studies about zinc for the common cold and there are loads of pills on store shelves containing zinc and claiming to treat the common cold. At least here in the United States, that is. People don't take it because of the side effects and the stupid dose forms available (although the situation seems to be slowly improving).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc#Dietary_recommendations
> In the case of zinc the adult UL is 40 mg/day (lower for children).
> The EFSA reviewed the same safety question and set its UL at 25 mg/day, which is much lower than the U.S. value.
edit: that was a joke, not a very good one I guess.
He was talking about 2 things
* UV light kills viruses, so why don't you shine UV light into the body to treat the virus
* Many viruses such as the flu don't transmit as well during the summer due to the weather conditions (heat + humidity), so could heat treat the virus in-vivo
Both of those suggestions are ignorant. He very clearly did not mean that getting some sunlight -> Vitamin D will help Coronavirus.
Maybe viruses don't transmit as well during the summer because people are outside more and have higher levels of Vitamin D?
I've discussed this with my doctor after being severely low on vitamin D. It caused physical pain. I'm far enough north that it is impossible to get the sunlight needed during the winter. I still have days, but they are short without strong sun - not to mention that it is too cold to go without a jacket. So, supplements at least during the winter.
During the summer, I have the option of getting at least 15 minutes of sunlight a day (May through August). Being outside isn't enough: I need to make sure that more than just my face is exposed.
But then, on top of it all, I wound up taking a medicine that not only makes me sensitive to sun, but a bit more prone to a milder form of skin cancer. Sunscreen doesn't help with vitamin D production.
The end result is that I wind up taking vitamin D all year and simply get my levels checked from time to time. Luckily, the over-the-counter stuff does the trick (there isn't the variety in vitamins here as there is in the US).
Anecdote, so take it for what you will.
As pointed out upthread, most supplements are hilariously low-dose. I take 20k IU, 3 times per week. (most supplements are like 1000IU per pill, but 3000IU pills can be found)
Moderate exposure is healthy, and may decrease the risk of many other cancers and heart disease.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/260247#3
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/07/dose-sunshine-ex...
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-some-sun-exposure-will-p...
Another way to look at it is that we evolved with the sun over millions of years, and that wouldn't have happened if it were too bad for us...
On your evolution comment, most Australians don't have dark skin, but the ones who were here before Europeans do. I think that is a good indicator that the body is adjusting to something harmful. On the other hand, many dark skinned people in Britain aren't in a climate they evolved for either. We all have to be mindful that people move around the world faster than evolution now and may need to adjust our habits.
This paper [1] has the recommended exposure time for a few cities in Australia. If you live in the same latitude, as long you live in the same latitude, this can be used as a guideline.
https://staging.mja.com.au/system/files/issues/194_07_040411...
I couldn't believe it the first time I went to Singapore, in 35C heat all day in the sun at a theme park, and didn't even get a minor blush on my pale skin due to the humidity and latitude. Definitely eye opening coming from NSW, Australia.
From the table there, for example, in Townsville in summer, with 11% of your body exposed, it takes just 6 minutes to synthesis 1000 IU of vitamin D.
A fair-skinned female friend who studied at James Cook University used to complain she got sunburnt walking between classes... So DWG, if you read this, apologies for telling you off for exaggerating!
Vitamin D is produced on UVB spectrum [1 Fig. 1] that decreases with the solar azimuth degree [2].
[1] https://www.direct-ms.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Vit-D-s...
[2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285056396_Vitamin_D...
Over exposure to sunshine is a bad idea. Depending on latitude, time of year, skin colour and a few other very well understood factors determines what is a safe exposure to the sun. We all know this already. Getting outside generally involves fresh, moving air. There is also the risk of gentle, through moderate to vigorous exercise.
Wear a hat and sunscreen if required but a good thing you can do to fight this nasty (all other things being equal) is take moderate exercise outside daily. Don't overdo it and keep away from other people.
I won't recommend a dose of Vit D because I am not a doctor but this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#Recommended_levels is probably a good start.
It depends on a lot of things. Time of year, time of day, skin colour, where you live, if you're under an Ozone hole, UV index, personal sensitivity/medications, etc.
This is a good summary[0] for the situation in Australia, possibly the worst in the world when it comes to the sun being deadly. Their strongest statement about avoiding sun:
"During summer in Australia, all states experience long periods during the day when the UV Index is 3 or above (see Table 1). During these periods, a combination of sun protection measures (broad brimmed hat, covering clothing, sunscreen, sunglasses and shade) is recommended when outdoors for more than a few minutes. In summer, most Australian adults will maintain adequate vitamin D levels from sun exposure during typical day to day outdoor activities."
So a few minutes in the sun without protection is enough to raise your cancer risk during the worse times on the worst days and you shouldn't be seeking any sun intentionally for vitamin D during these times. Growing up it was easy to get sunburned in 10-15 minutes on some days, and the advice was that if you burn you definitely raised your cancer risk.
[0]: https://wiki.cancer.org.au/policy/Position_statement_-_Risks...
Vitamin D is only produced with in UVB wavelength [1]. No vitamin D is produced over 318nm. I wonder if that's the reason they divided the range in UVA, UVB and UVC.
The solar ray incidation angle, pollution and altitude (higher, more UVB) affects the amount of UVB that hits the surface [2].
Therefore, the time of the day you are sunbathing is important to optimize Vitamin D synthesis. Midday is the best time. If you live bellow 25 degree latitude, the UVA/UVB ratio on winter is about the same on summer. Of course, you should take in consideration the weather and the UV index. I'm talking only about the ratio.
This paper [3] has guideline for sun exposure for Australian. It is possible to correlate the data for other places in the same latitude -- taking in consideration the Australian differences in UV index.
[1] https://www.direct-ms.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Vit-D-s... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285056396_Vitamin_D... [3] https://staging.mja.com.au/system/files/issues/194_07_040411...
Assuming 'linear no-threshold'? I find that pretty suspect.
I argue that if you go outside and wear the appropriate sun protection—long pants,long sleeves, neck covered, broad rim hat, and wear sunscreen on the exposed parts—you can't get enough sun exposure to produce enough Vitamin D.
Seems reasonable that it's not based on your experience.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I think I’m going to take my next call out on the porch.
The definition of vitamin includes the inability of the organism to synthesize it itself, so vitamin D can’t be an actual vitamin
The definition of vitamin is that it’s gotta be organic, necessary for healthy functioning, and we must be incapable of synthesizing enough of it to survive, even if it’s also available in our food. This is why cholesterol isn’t a vitamin; it’s necessary for us to live, but we’re fully capable of synthesizing enough of it on our own.
Also, nicotinamide (one form of Vitamin B3) is a metabolite of niacin (nicotinic acid, another form of Vitamin B3). Humans can produce the former from the latter, but require at least one of them from the diet. Does that make niacin a vitamin, but nicotinamide a hormone? They are not equivalent, but as far as "being essential", they are substitutes.
(No idea myself, just rumbling thoughts)
I think things get very tricky to define when you need at least one compound that can complete some biological process, but there are several different potential compounds that could do the job, some of which have to come from diet and others can by synthesized by the human body.
I talked to a Finnish nutritionist a while ago and she said it was about as much a success for public health as when they started adding iodine to salt. We didn't talk about the situation today, so it might have changed. I just found it interesting.
Do you mind sharing which one it is?
IMPORTANT NOTE: I do train a lot and I'm in the 6-8% body fat range so generally I have higher needs. The ones in the link are bundled up in small bags of 11 pills and the values are for 2 packs of 11 which is a complete overkill if you are not a top tier athlete. 1 pack of 11 every 2 or 3 days is sufficient for regular people.
[1] https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0944/0726/files/Universal-...
I think this really depends on location and lifestyle. Anyone in a Mediterranean or sunnier climate that spends more than 30mn a day outside will be fine
The only way I could figure it out was via blood tests, spaced a few years apart. First time the doctor said "hm, you're pretty low on vit D, you should supplement it". Second time, it was more like "you're really low and you should take XXX amount each day, NOW!"
Big changes in terms of mood and "energy". I'm now kicking myself for not taking it earlier.
[0] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-from-sun#skin...
There's a metric left out of this equation.
How much of the body must be exposed?
the sun must be above 50' above horizon for UVB to penetrate the atmosphere to reach the skin. When your skin is exposed to sunlight, it makes vitamin D from cholesterol
https://theralightinc.com/best-time-to-get-vitamin-d-from-su...
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-from-sun#time...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/well/live/does-sunlight-t...
For me, this only counts from May to August: I'm pretty far north, and there isn't proper sun strength much of the year.
There are other related calculators linked also.
Vitamin D production is only made on the UVB range that is highest at midday. Both UVA and UVB causes erythema. Counterintuitively to common sense, it is better to sun bath midday than early in the morning.
If you sunbath at 8 you might need twice as many time to produce the same amount of vitamin D and you be exposed to much more UVA, thus more like to get burn.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-of-the-...
"During active COVID-19 infection symptoms (fever, cough), please AVOID these common supplements: Echinacea, Elderberry, Polysaccharide extracts from Medicinal Mushrooms and Vitamin D as these MAY theoretically exacerbate the cytokine inflammatory storm. It's OK to take them preventively (if you are already doing so) but please stop at the first sign of COVID-19 symptoms."
Hence I've been avoiding adding Vitamin D to my daily ritual; anyone have any supporting data?
> Hence I've been avoiding adding Vitamin D
Do you have active symptoms?
The concern is about a studied connection between Vitamin D supplementation and an increase in concentration of the IL-1b inflammation marker (see, e.g., [1]), which has been implicated in cytokine storms. The other supplements mentioned have similar effects.
This correlation suggests that you might not want to be taking Vitamin D if you're as risk of a cytokine storm hurting you.
That said, however, vitamin D is also associated with strong anti-inflammatory properties of other markers, so really -- it's super hard to predict what will happen. As far as I know, no one has observed a connection between Vitamin D and cytokine storms directly, so the whole thing is kind of hypothetical.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-inf...
The paper I shared in my previous post cites work showing that Vitamin D promotes other kinds of inflammatory cytokines.
So, yeah. Vitamin D might reduce the likelihood of a cytokine storm, and circumstantial evidence relying on mechanism-of-action suggests that it does -- but this hasn't been demonstrated conclusively.
What is known, however, and which this paper reiterates, is that if you're deficient in Vitamin D, you're more likely to suffer from respiratory tract infections. Take a supplement!
For example :
- Heart failure meta analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29348609 - Type 2 diabete meta analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29490085 - Type 2 diabete meta analysis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29945132
Hell, we even have preliminary human studies dealing with just that: clinical outcome for patients admitted in intensive care unit, with or without a single mega-dose of vitamin D: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4939707/
Thank you, this is what I was looking for! Great outcome.
The other three papers you cite are also all correlations of Vitamin D with inflammatory factors, not with disease outcomes. I must have missed the study that looks specifically at cytokine storms as a dependent variable. Could you point it out to me?
I increased Vitamine D supply by taking a supplement and eating more fish (salmon, herring). The cough became better but became much better only when I also added Echinacea.
[1] http://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/80400525/Articles/AICR0...
[2] https://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publication/?...
[3] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169377/n...
No food source has enough Vitamin D to get to a healthy level however.
If you cannot get sun, get a daily 4000 IU supplement.
I'm sure someone could chase up more authoritative references.
The Trifecta is D,Zinc and C (with a magnesium supplement a few times a week).
I think I was tested in late fall, and it was fairly expensive to have done (roughly $100 where I was in Europe). From what I remember, you're deficient if you're less than 12 ng/mL and mine was around 6 ng/mL.
Of course I want to say I feel better, experience less winter blues, get sick less often, and have more energy since I started taking a supplement. I can't be certain of any of those things though. Maybe it makes a difference, maybe it doesn't. I feel decent these days, the numbers say I should take it, so that's why I take it.
I was Wrong on the internet (lots of food has vitamin D including Eggs and Mushrooms): Vitamin D supplements may not be absorbed as digestion isn't the normal process for obtaining it.
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessiona...
I don't see how this could be a placebo as 1. I wasn't really expecting them to work in the first place. 2. I've tried all sorts of things over the years to try and relieve my depression, and nothing else has worked.
It's possible that raising baseline levels isn't actually required to have beneficial effects. Of course, the quantities of vitamin that aren't raising baseline levels must be going somewhere. It doesn't seem unlikely to me that at least some of it is going directly towards production of whatever things the body uses vitamin D for.
I never get that for people who seem eager to dismiss a placebo effect as not having value because it isn’t “real” - whatever that means.
This conflicts with what I've always been taught, and with every high google result for 'tanning skin cancer'. (I'm in Australia, where the sun is especially damaging; but I'd be surprised if tanning were very dangerous here but fine elsewhere, and in any case the search results were not all local.) What are you basing it on?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6313493/
An examination of the current state of the scientific research shows that (i) severe sunburns are linked to increased risk of melanoma but non-burning sun exposure is linked to reduced risk of melanoma
And this also means that people with higher melanin residing in northern hemispheres are more at risk.
> In a Boston homeless shelter, 100% of 147 COVID-19 positive subjects were asymptomatic [3].
That study actually excluded N=15 symptomatic people:
> The original cases (N=15) were identified sequentially over a 5-day period, and each was expeditiously removed from the shelter population at the time of symptom recognition. These individuals predated the implementation of universal testing procedures and are excluded from this study.
So, it's rather unsurprising that 100% of the remaining people were asymptomatic.
Actually there already is a better study where they actually tested vitamin D levels of many COVID patients [1]. It found vitamin D was strongly associated with less severe outcomes:
> Only 26% of the cases had 25(OH)D in the normal range, and virtually all of them (86%) had a mild outcome. ... Just over a third (38%) had 25(OH)D in the insufficient range, and only one of them (1.3%) had a mild outcome. ... Just over a third (36%) had 25(OH)D in the deficient range, and their distribution was pushed further toward severe and critical outcomes. Only one patient (1.4%) had a mild outcome, while 26% had an ordinary outcome, 40% had a severe outcome, and 33% had a critical outcome.
Now we should demand a controlled trial where they actually give a vitamin D intervention: this would provide causal evidence. However, avoiding vitamin D deficiency is already very well studied and has so many benefits that I think it is worth everyone's time and effort to do so.
Many people are advising high levels of vitamin D supplementation. However, there is reason to not overdo it on vitamin D supplementation and take just 1700 IU/day (or to just get sunshine) [2]. Of course, getting your vitamin D levels tested (with the help of by a doctor) is the safe way to go about this.
[1] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571484
[2] https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/covid-19/update-on-vitamin-d-...
i suspect VID correlates well with COVID comorbidities, like a sedentary lifestyle, hypertension, and weight problems. the opposite is also probably true, that people with good vit D levels correlate with healthier lifestyles and fewer comorbidities.
The overall takeaway is this: in people with Vitamin D deficiency (which is very, very common), continuous daily supplementation can lead to up to a 70% reduction in contracted viral respiratory infections. It has a smaller effect the less deficient you are, and is not associated with any adverse effects.
1 - https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk
Similar story with ibuprofen and COVID-19 [1]. Researchers found a link between the two. But older people are also more likely to take ibuprofen.
[0] https://health.clevelandclinic.org/some-sunlight-may-benefit... [1] https://www.wired.com/story/the-ibuprofen-debate-reveals-the...
> Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had VDI [Vitamin D Insufficiency]
Since mid-March I've been trying to keep track of Vitamin D/Sunlight suggestions and papers here: https://simonsarris.com/sunlight
* The total number of patients in the entire study was 20.
* The number of ICU patients was 13.
* The number of ICU patients younger than 75 years was 10.
It's interesting that 10 out of 10 patients in the ICU had low vitamin D, but it's not exactly a huge study.
It just doesn't have the same ring to it.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure...
Pale skin is an evolutionary adaptation to harvest more sunlight to convert to Vitamin D, from when humanity expanded to less sunny areas from Africa.
I'm a little shocked that doctors don't seem to tell black people this. My "survey" is probably only 5 people, but still, people need to know.
https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/07/mysterious-...
It's an old article, but I haven't been able to find anything newer that isn't based on the same study in 2008.
A similar "outbreak" was noted in Sweden.
Does this mean they have checked 20 people, 13 (65%) of them were severe and all in the below-75 subset of these 13 people were deficient in vitamin D? Doesn't seem credible to me, I'd prefer some hundreds of people from completely different parts of the country.
By the way, isn't almost everybody deficient in vitamin D anyway? (see doi:10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838)
I've been taking 5000 IU for last 10 years to maintain ~55 ng/mL after finding out I was dangerously low at 12 ng/mL. And I used to live in Australia, the land of constant sunshine.
I avoid listening to the FDA recommended dose which has historically been increasing every few years. Just get your blood work done and supplement to maintain around ~ 55 ng/mL. That's better than listening to generic advice.
Btw. This pissed me off when BlueShield few years ago stopped covering Vitamin D blood tests because of this nonsense:
Most People Don't Need Vitamin D Testing https://www.bcbs.com/news/press-releases/most-people-dont-ne...
"The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recently found the current medical evidence insufficient to assess the balance of benefits and harms of screening for vitamin D deficiency in asymptomatic adults."
"The American Society of Clinical Pathology contributed the following recommendation to Choosing Wisely®, “Many people have low levels of vitamin D, but few have seriously low levels. Most of us don’t need a vitamin D test. We just need to make simple changes so we get enough vitamin D.”"
20 Patients in Study with COV19
* 65% of them went to ICU (13 patients)
* 35% of them did not (7 patients)
Of the 13 Patients in the ICU 84.6% (11 patients) had VDI
Of the 7 Patients not in ICU 57.4% (4 Patients) had VDI
Thin gruel indeed. But all they are saying is that it's perhaps worth doing a real study. That's fair.The scale on the test results is: Interpretive Data: Deficiency: <10 ng/mL Insufficiency: 10 to 30 ng/mL Sufficiency: 30 to 100 ng/mL Toxicity: >100 ng/mL
"The majority of 25-OH vitamin D (25-D) in the circulation is derived from the conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin that is irradiated with ultraviolet radiation in the UVB range (wavelength 290 nm to 315 nm).1-5 The extent of vitamin D formation is not tightly controlled and depends primarily on the duration and intensity of the UV irradiation. Levels produced typically reach a plateau within 30 minutes of exposure." [1]
"Vitamin D insufficiency is more prevalent among African Americans (blacks) than other Americans and, in North America, most young, healthy blacks do not achieve optimal 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentrations at any time of year." [2]
[1]: https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/36721/vitamin-d-25-hydroxy... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16549493
About a year and a half ago, I started taking vitamin D after my doctor told me I was slightly deficient. Within two months, there was no indication of plaques on my knees or elbows, and the little nodules that would appear on my palmar surfaces on my hands and feet became much less frequent. I am convinced that supplementing vitamin D was much more effective than any cream, and definitely less obnoxious than holding my knees and elbows to the sun at an open window on a sunny day. When I get outside frequently, I notice that basically all of my symptoms go away.
Long story short, take your vitamin D! Consult a doctor and don't take too much, since it's fat soluble and can build up to toxic levels in your system; also, since it is fat soluble, make sure your diet has enough good fats to help absorb it (guacamole and olive oil are two of my favorite supplementary foods with vitamin D).
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apt.15777
It also notes:
> It could be argued that the virus spread later to the Southern Hemisphere and that countries there are simply behind those in the Northern Hemisphere but as time goes by this argument looks increasingly weak.
But at the same time, isn't it suspected that vitamin D insufficiency is linked with a worse immune system generally?
(Anecdotally it made a big difference for me not getting winter colds ever since my doctor pointed out I had a significant wintertime deficiency and I started supplementing.)
In other words, there's unlikely to be any unique link between vitamin D and COVID-19. That this just falls in the wide bucket of "unhealthier people are more affected by COVID-19", similar to obesity.
Okay, let's play with this. Let us extrapolate from the strong correlation found by this retrospective review, and postulate that Vitamin D Insufficiency (VDI) is indeed a major contributing factor in either the severity of a COVID-19 infection, or the chances of contracting it. (I am not claiming this is indeed true, correlation != causation, but I think strong correlations are certainly worth looking at and playing with).
It is my observation that in my local area, the shelter-in-place order has resulted in more people spending more of their time indoors and not going outside as much. The park in my neighborhood is empty. I see less people on the bike trails visible from the roads I take to the grocery store. A nature park 20 minutes from my house, the kind that people go to to get out of the city and the hell away from other people, is closed with COVID-19 as the justification and scary signs threatening fines posted at all the entrances. And so on.
With less people getting outside, and less often, that means more people are getting less sun exposure, and less vitamin D. Assuming that their diets aren't changing to make up for that, that means more people with VDI, and those already with VDI getting worse. As such, if VDI will make it easier to catch COVID, or make the symptoms worse once caught, I can't help but wonder if these shelter-in-place orders intended to slow the spread won't end up shooting us in the foot, setting us up for a 2nd wave more brutal than had people been encouraged and incentivized to get outside more.
I really hope I'm wrong about that.
I wonder if they were correct, but for the wrong reasons. Vitamin D in humans primarily comes from a chemical reaction with sunlight in the skin. Maybe there's an indirect effect there that explains what they were seeing?
Previously, I tried supplementing with 10,000IU daily, didn't help me feel any better and took a long time to get my levels up. Doctor even told me to lie outside in a bikini every day in the sun and not to burn myself. My doc's theory is that some process in sick people uses up their vitamin D and calcium, and that's what needs to be stopped. He says he has seen patients with Vitamin D deficiency where they are cured with supplementation and/or sun, but it's not very common. It's cheap, easy, and harmless enough though to try before moving on to other things.
Outside extreme deficiencies though, I’m not sure that the band isn’t relatively large. But it is documented that D supplements for people with low levels of D does seem to reduce the incidence of pulmonary infections in general. There was a good paper on the subject published last December in Lancet (IIRC — i failed to save it in Zotero). So even before COVID-19 became a concern I upped my daily dose.
The fact that the study doesn't talk about base rates for ethnicities is pretty "striking" (to use a word they breathlessly, and wrongly, use).
(Not affiliated with the app, just happy with it.) It tells you the sun angle, peak hour of the day, and maximum time you should be in that day's sun based on your skin type, to avoid getting burnt while still getting enough D.
Be careful though - you might get a little OCD about Vitamin D tracking with this app. I did, and mainly use it now for checking how long it is safe to stay outdoors. (Instead of full blown tracking.)
It can also notify upon solar noon, sunrise and sunset (not the same as a D window of opportunity), and give a daily supplement reminder. Each of these is individually configurable.
The NHS also say more recently in response to the lockdown [3]:
Consider taking 10 micrograms of vitamin D a day to keep your bones and muscles healthy.
This is because you may not be getting enough vitamin D from sunlight if you’re indoors most of the day.
There have been some news reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus. However, there is no evidence that this is the case.
Do not buy more vitamin D than you need.
They also warn:
Taking too many vitamin D supplements over a long period of time can cause too much calcium to build up in the body (hypercalcaemia). This can weaken the bones and damage the kidneys and the heart.
If you choose to take vitamin D supplements, 10 micrograms a day will be enough for most people.
Do not take more than 100 micrograms of vitamin D a day as it could be harmful. This applies to adults, including pregnant and breastfeeding women and the elderly, and children aged 11 to 17 years.
[1] Vitamin D and Health [PDF] https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...
[2] The new guidelines on vitamin D – what you need to know: https://www.nhs.uk/news/food-and-diet/the-new-guidelines-on-...
[3] Vitamin D: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-...
There is strong evidence that Vitamin D does nothing. Large scale studies of vitamin D supplements show no benefit.
The article above argues that it is actually sun exposure that brings health benefits, and that vitamin D is just a byproduct. This makes sense. If vitamin D levels are strongly correlated with good health, it doesn't mean that it causes it. There might be some third factor.
5000-7000 IU per day is probably a safe amount, despite the official recommended daily intake being 600 IU.
[1]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...
With sun exposure, the book recommends the following. Go sit in the sun on a sunny day, until you get a mild rose burn. How long does that take? Divide that time over a week, and you're safe. This rose-burn time depends on the time of year, how high is the sun in the skye? How clear is the skye? What is the time of the day? So this value changes a lot for people in norther Europe, compared to people living in Africa.
This is sound advice, but isn't there a chicken and egg problem right now? We're in a significant part of the pandemic, which I would imagine (assumption) that "routine" tests such as that may not be easy to come by. While at the same time there is notable evidence that VDI is prevalent in severe cases. By the time you get an answer to know the base line, it seems like it would be largely too late to make a possible difference in the short term?
Is there a "safe" amount you could increase it without knowing your base line?
> Among ICU subjects, 11 (84.6%) had VDI, vs. 4 (57.1%) of floor subjects. Strikingly, 100% of ICU patients less than 75 years old had VDI (n=11; Table 2).
Numbers in the study are very low and no significant correlation was found.
Lots of interesting postulation in the discussion. Could be worth looking at in a larger study.
Now cue the press stories, and panic buying...
It's because of stuff like this I take one. Maybe I'm wasting money, but absent a harm I feel it's worth it to hedge my bets.
Combining calcium and vitamin D can be seriously problematic. And high doses of calcium in general can make you more likely to end up with kidney stones -- those are not fun to pass!
Some supplements can even compete with each other for absorption (calcium & magnesium come to mind), so taking them together in a multivitamin is probably not the way to go.
There is no reason why your body should use the supplement vitamins or minerals if your diet is normal (not deficient). For example, a lot of people eat a bunch of animal products rich in calcium, D3, protein etc. and end up with diseases like osteoporosis, sarcopenia etc. Even with real food their bodies did not do anything with it.
Intervention studies with supplements on these kinds of people show that they rarely help or help very little (not long-term).
You need to make your body use the stuff you give it.
From what I read, at least with Vitamin C, you have to get into the 2000% range before there start being negative side-effects.
https://www.winchesterhospital.org/health-library/article?id...
I take Floradix, which is a German-made liquid made from vegetables and yeast. It has probably saved my life, because without it I become lethargic then severely depressed.
I joke that I'm a vampire and it is my human blood substitute that I take so I don't have to feed on people.
Vitamin D at normal doses is quite safe, though, so I'll be supplementing my intake now even if broader long-term study shows this to be ineffective for C19.
I had a bad allergic reaction recently to wine (which was never a problem before), that started as bad hives and progressed to me nearly fainting. Doctor tested me as positive for a grape allergy, but negative to the shellfish allergy that caused hives as a kid.
Anyhow, all of that is to say that the doctor prescribed me an epipen, because apparently it's possible to experience anaphalaxis without having breathing issues. And full-body hives is one sign of that. The near-fainting I experienced was likely due to low-blood pressure, which is another symptom. So just be careful. I had always thought hives weren't a big deal (other than being extremely annoying), but I'm definitely going to take them more seriously from here on out.
^ Not discounting other factors
All this of course reduces vitamin D levels.
Well, let me add to the narrative, as this was the concentration of my Undergrad studies. Vitamin D, and its analogues are not actually vitamins, they're steroid-hormones and behave as such; look at its molecular structure [1] and its synthesis in the presence of UV light (as this actually how you should be acquiring it).
Most people are deficient in Vitmanin D, the recommended dose of 600 IU are actually not sufficient as many studies, research lends credence to as those that induced viable therapies were often upwards of 4000-10000 IU. The IOM is to blame for this, and a heated debate amongst researchers.
I won't go into full detail on that, but Vitamin D is a critical precursor and reactant in many vital metabolic reactions, my personal concentration was in inducing apoptosis in certain cancer cells with calcitriol, EB 1089, CB 1093, and p53. My proposals were rejected for Independent Studies and I never undertook it in the lab, unfortunately.
> Unfortunately the daily recommended value was established erroneously and should be much higher. Many research papers mention this...
Exactly. My bible was a Vitamin D book with 100+ chapters detailing researchers that published papers detailing how their models were showing that such low IU of Vitmain D were insufficient, going against the IOM's RDL.
If any of you are so inclined the 2nd Volume of Vitamin D by Feldman has been released [2], its expensive but still way less than what the last copies of vol 1 were that I paid back then.
> Nobody makes any money if it turns out to be a good treatment, so nobody will fund the research
You have no idea the amount of dismay I felt when I realized this was the case when I was in school; though I would argue they've fund(ed) it in the past, the problem is their is no way to place IP on Vitamin D itself and therefore Big Pharma's business model doesn't apply, so it can show favourable results but it will be killed because their is nothing to bring to Market as an exclusive seller like they do for drugs. Many therapies could have been explored since H1N1, 2009, but it falls on deaf ears and it takes pandemics like these to shake people into delving into Public Health more seriously.
I hope changes are made by motivated students and researchers, ideally outside of Universities because I know I no longer have the patience or drive to try any more.
1: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...
2: https://www.amazon.com/Vitamin-Disease-Therapeutics-David-Fe...
I just want to pip install vitamin-d and be on my way.
Honestly, if you live in CA like most here just sun bathe for 15-20 mins daily on exposed skin, your body actually has a 'built-in' start-stop system that will actually stop producing vitamin D innately due to a feedback loop. You need to stop before your skin becomes irritated and begins to burn, obviously, to avoid damage. 17 mins for me is the sweet spot for ideal blood serum levels.
> what should we be taking and how much?
If taken as a dietary supplement that is way beyond me, as I'm not a physician and its irresponsible to give medical advice as its specifically related to you and your health.
But someone even mentioned the 10000 IU doses that can be administered in severe cases with little to no harm and that's worth noting in terms of toxicity risk.
Personally, I moved to CO from the coastal part of CA partly because of the elevation difference and intensity of Sun in the Fall and Winter months to mitigate my Vitamin D level decreasing and how it affects my health; so my personal optimized blood serum wouldn't be compatible to your own, so even that wouldn't work.
> I just want to pip install vitamin-d and be on my way.
Biohacker hat on: Get some Vitmain D pills and start with taking 1000 IU (as a baseline) and increase the dosage incrementally on a weekly basis while documenting your mood, and overall health and decide for yourself. You get several types of endorphins from it, so when I started to find my effective doses I noticed it alleviated my irritability and frequent headaches.
Makes you wonder if there is a correlation to Vitamin D insufficiency due to lack of sun light.
Anyway, we have VDI too even with our sunny weather. Not everybody likes sunbathing and the use of sunscreen with a high SPF is common.