"We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses."
Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense.
[0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/case...
The pattern is so transparent too - telling us to listen to "both sides", and implying we're being biased when we dismiss obvious misinformation. I can't help that the American right is so detached from reality.
There's a global pandemic. This bullshit will literally kill people. YouTube is a private company, and they have every right to remove this from their system.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/coronavirus-new-...
The idea that we can hide out until the virus completely disappears is a fantasy. The only sustainable path forward is targeted lockdown and isolation for the most vulnerable along with mustering our energies for testing and treatment.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-loc...
Comparing to its geographical and cultural neighbors helps deal with differences in city structure, public health system, trust in government, population density, etc.
Even if we take Sweden's case at face value this is still 1/4 the multiplier that people seem to think it is. Furthermore, Sweden is pursuing a strategy of herd immunity: let people get infected so that the populace becomes immune. They should see a higher rise in deaths, but also a faster decline as the virus runs out of viable hosts. A tall, narrow spike versus a wide, shorter curve. The area under the final curve is what we're looking for.
But in general, yes. Areas with stronger restrictions have significantly fewer deaths, and areas that enacted restrictions saw deaths drop by 3-5x already, with continued downward trends as opposed to upward exponential ones.
See Figure S3 here: https://t.co/JYf1F5GnYu?amp=1
I'm not saying it will be that way, but it's worth considering.
Link to something a bit more credible.
Sorry but there are other paths to containing the virus without resorting to draconian measures, especially when those measures are indiscriminate blunt instruments (for example applying same restrictions to urban and rural areas).
Despite that Sweden has the same per capita infection rate and a per capita death rate of around 3x Germany's.
And that's still with some social distancing requests, there just isn't a stay at home order.
So yes, unless Sweden tightens restrictions, I'd expect to see it hit an order of magnitude harder than nations doing more restrictions, despite still having some.
There might be people who died from Covid-19 who weren't tested post-mortem, especially in February when the virus was flying under the radar.
NYTimes had an article which showed a number of places around the world have had a surge in deaths compared to the same time period in previous years. And even if you subtract the known Covid-19 cases, there's still a sharp increase in the count.
Look at the graph on the last page for NYC for example:
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-d...
Excess death data so far suggests that they are indeed undercounting true deaths. While it is certainly possible lockdown has caused some additional immediate deaths, it is also likely other deaths (eg decreased car accidents) have gone down. So it will require further analysis once this is all said and done and more data is available, but my money is that the US has undercounted deaths thus far.
To highlight the spike in deaths being significantly higher than even the worst flu over the last years look at the data from Euromono https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ It's even worse if one considers that so far the deaths have been quite localised compared to e.g. the flu.
The fact that we're delusional enough to think that we're somehow safe from the same thing occurring here is absurd. And this is in a country that's far better about following shelter orders and mask-wearing guidance!
Flu season is vaccinated against.
Also it has been known that cv has a larger multiple death rate.
those deaths are after the seasonal flu is heavily vaccinated against. in 2017-2018, flu vaccine generation was at a record high [0] (in the US).
its heavily vaccinated against (with many sectors like military and healthcare requiring vaccination) exactly because its dangerous.
isnt this a normal flu? what would happen if we stopped producing normal flu vaccines? in other words, what if a new flu came out that ignored our current vaccines - a novel virus?
[0] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht...