Pioneer-era apple types thought extinct found in US West
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None are listed on the AppleSearch site, which doesn't surprise me: the first non-indigenous people showed up here in the 1840's and by then apple cultivation was a big deal elsewhere.
But it makes me wonder: do feral apple trees not eventually form their own varietals through mutation?
(IANAB, for $B == 'Botanist', obviously.)
> Many apples grow readily from seeds. However, more than with most perennial fruits, apples must be propagated asexually by grafting to obtain the sweetness and other desirable characteristics of the parent. This is because seedling apples are an example of "extreme heterozygotes", in that rather than inheriting genes from their parents to create a new apple with parental characteristics, they are instead significantly different from their parents, perhaps to compete with the many pests. ...
> Because apples do not breed true when planted as seeds, grafting is generally used to produce new apple trees
That means that if you plant the seeds from a Gala apple, you are almost certainly not going to get an apple tree which produces Gala apples.
Not only that, but they are likely not going to be tasty. The folk story about Johnny Appleseed is that he planted apple seeds wherever he went (Wikipedia says he actually planted nurseries). If someone had done that, it would have been apples for pigs, and for hard cider.
I understand what the author is getting at, but that is not a good phrase. Apples do inherit genes from their parents, and not from anywhere else!
I've always been really surprised by how different the fruit on one tree is from the one right next to it.
Mentioned here before, 30 years ago taking the youngsters on a walk, made a different turn and ended up in a small meadow with a pond and a single apple tree. Surrounded by town and left until last to develop because it was hilly I guess.
There were apples under the tree, fallen to the ground. Apples the size between softballs and soccer balls. Somebody had stacked like cannon balls. Very dark.
Anyway I never heard of something like that. I never saw them again since the meadow was developed soon after (i.e. bulldozed and turned into condos).
Seems to follow that apple varieties ended up lost to the dustbin of history because they didn't taste very good? If the project had found "an apple from 150 years ago that's better than Honeycrisp"... that'd be super interesting to figure out why it got lost in the first place (and start growing them!).
They're great for making pie or jam or such things. Homemade Apple crumble(crisp, I dunno whatever same shit...both good) is probably one of the best things next to homemade strawberry rhubarb pie, but either way, they're a far cry even from Granny Smith apples which, I enjoy, but as far as I know, most people use for baking.
In North America, unkept apples are feral. There's a fair chance they are descendants of trees planted at a homestead.
The wild ancestor is from central Asia:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/5/apples-of-ede...
I think it happened to Fuji and Gala sometime in the last 5 years. Honeycrisp still doesn't have the volume, so it goes to market without the horror show and is thus still crisp and delightful.
We get so focused on 'the BEST', that's how we wind up with a monocrop of banana clones, or the inedible (but pretty) Washington Delicious, etc.
The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious: How the worst apple took over the United States, and continues to spread https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/the-evil-...
The Long, Monstrous Reign of the Red Delicious Apple Is Ending: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/business/red-delicious-ap...
as genes for beauty were favored over those for taste, the skins grew tough and bitter around mushy, sugar-soaked flesh.
U.S. apple growers [...] made the apples redder and redder, and prettier and prettier, and they just about bred themselves out of existence
Later, we learned they are a well regarded heirloom for cider and other alcohol making purposes! Cider was a big thing in the Early 1900s and has made a resurgence.
Strawberries are another one. Do yourself a favor and get some ripe strawberries locally sometime. They’re nothing like that Drischoll’s stuff in the stores!
Wheat was once cultivated as far north as Maine, where cold-hardy varieties were developed in order to lengthen the growing season and allow local farmers to supply the state's bakeries in what would otherwise be an inhospitable climate to more productive, but less hardy varieties of wheat grown in warmer areas further south. However, once the railroads reached Maine in the 19th century and were able to bring cheaper grain to market, farmers stopped growing wheat and the varieties grown then are now completely lost. Many northern homesteaders would love to have that seed today but it's gone.
Another example I heard from a woman who specializes in selling heirloom tomato seeds and starts. By the way, in contrast to apples, which do not produce identical offspring from seeds, tomatoes do. If you plant apples, expect the unexpected. But if you plant tomatoes, you'll get pretty much the same thing you started with. The tomato grower showed me a delicious variety that was discovered when a schoolboy arrived at school with a tomato and told his teacher "My grandfather says this tomato is special. But he's dying and he doesn't want it to be lost." It turns out that his family had brought over a variety of tomato from Italy as immigrants and had cultivated it for generations. Its quality was the reason it was almost lost forever - so good they kept it their own special secret until time almost ran out.
Unfortunately this is not true. Many tomatoes with the best disease resistance are hybrids, and seeds will not produce the same plant with the same disease resistance. Heirlooms varieties will “generally” produce the same plant but you have to be careful about inbreeding.
> It turns out that his family had brought over a variety of tomato from Italy as immigrants and had cultivated it for generations.
The funny part about this is tomatoes are a new world veggie! So the plant went from America to Italy, and then a new variety was brought back to the homeland. I’d love to try this variety!
It sounds like a telephone game re-telling of these: https://www.johnnyseeds.com/vegetables/tomatoes/heirloom-tom...
They aren't really anything special, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and amish paste or san marzano in a taste test.
Nope. Cider varieties fell out of favor because cider fell out of favor, and most don't taste very good for eating. But heritage eating apples fell out of favor because they do not ship well, or don't grow well in synthetically fertilized dirt, or due to marketing. Most heritage varieties of eating apples taste WAY better than bland crap like honeycrisp. Red delicious were the most produced apple for many years even though basically nobody likes them. Because they look very appealing, and they are very durable so they can be handled roughly and shipped all over. Try a Cox's Orange Pippin and you'll never be able to eat grocery store apples again.
The only options the company (Starks Bros. in Louisiana, Mo. literally the only thing in that town) had for pollinators for that tree were $20 red delicious (sold out), $20 yellow delicious (sold out), and the $89 Cox's Orange Pippin. So we ordered one.
I have legitimately never heard of that tree until I ordered one to plant this week. I've said to everyone I know that it had better be the best apple I've ever eaten for that price!
What a weird coincidence.
There was a long, long period in which resistance to rough handling during shipping and long storage was far more important than taste. To some degree, that's still true, although we're in much better shape with respect to tasty fruit and vegetables than people were even as recently as the 1980s.
For decades, just about the only type of tomato you could get in a standard grocery store was the aptly-named "Red Rock" variety. Farmers markets and specialty stores sometimes offered a better selection in rural and large urban areas, but for most of the country it was either Red Rock or grow them yourself.
Oh God, how I totally and bizarrely misunderstood that headline: Pioneer = space probe
Apple = computer
types = tapes
US West = baby bell telephone company
1. apple not capitalized 2. use of word pioneer
although the domain being appnews.com did make me question my reasoning.