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Covid-19 and HIV: Follow Me Down the Rabbit Hole

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If the argument is a powerful one and immensely significant if it's valid, then presumably it'll get wider coverage than in a publication for which one has to sign up (no complaint about that but I prefer not to). Any suggestions as to where it can found in another context?

This was a quick write up of what I've discovered over the past week. It actually came out of research for an economic theory I was writing for the World Economic Forum. It is not a definitive argument of any kind. You can read it through this free link https://medium.com/@sarahnadav/covid-19-hiv-follow-me-down-t...

This is more than a rabbit warren Sarah...

A quote from a peer reviewed paper by Shi Zhengli the 'Chinese Bat Lady' on how she combined SARS and HIV

"we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency virus-based pseudovirus system with cell lines expressing the ACE2 molecules of human, civet, or horseshoe bat"

https://project-evidence.github.io/#%28part._p1%29

HOLY SHIT.

This is a very well researched and referenced investigation into the origins of CoV-SARS-2 virus and the activities of Shi Zhengli and her associates.

https://greatgameindia.com/covid19-files-scientific-investig...

I'm reading this through and it's hard to understand why this isn't common knowledge

Their original article was published in 2008- so what I question is why this was ever OK.

I also posted it to Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/covid-19-hiv-follow-me-down-r...

I believe this will and should make it into the mainstream press

It’s been popping up briefly on major news channels. Was front page of Bloomberg yesterday

The responses here will be useful sources for many of us. Thanks!

> Creepy Coincidence #1

Asymptomatic spreaders are common for virus. Most people (~95%) that get the polio virus has no symptoms or very mild symptoms. It makes very difficult to control outbreaks if you don't vaccine a the people that meet the known case, but also the people that meet them and perhaps another ring of contacts. (I think that smallpox have no asymptomatic cases. It depends on the virus.)

> Creepy Coincidence #2

The problems with conjunctivitis, headaches, gastrointestinal problems are common to a lot of virus. Fever is what you body do when there is a virus somewhere, and conjunctivitis is what your body do when there is a virus in the eyes. Most of these symptoms are generic. Also, the virus may have a mild symptoms most of the time and very strong unrelated symptoms in a few times. Take a look again at polio or for another unrelated case take a look at shingles.

The other problems in your list are direct consequences of the virus. In some case you can get a secondary bacterial infection in the lungs. But with HIV the problem is that it destroy the immune system and then you get plenty of secondary infections.

> Creepy Coincidence #3

Mass confusion and hysteria. I agree, but I don't think it is particularly relater to Covid-19. Perhaps you should compare it to the last pandemic, like polio before the vaccine.

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In general, I think it would be a good exercise to try to find the same types of connections between HIV and Covid-19 but using instead Polio and Covid-19, or HIV and Polio.

Good point, I'll look into it. I'm NOT an expert in infectious disease, I study human behavior. These creepy coincidences were just gut instincts. My point was not to draw a conclusion but to just push people away from being anchored to this being like the flu.

This is not to mention that the guy who won the nobel prize for hiv research says the virus is man made.

Ya, that is noted in the post. Otherwise, it would be hard to imagine how HIV gene sequences would get in the mix. Unless perhaps there was a monkey involved...which seems less likely than this coming out of a lab

The odd thing is that even the media is starting to talk about the lab theory. Even if it was true, I would never expect to see it get air time. But it is.

It seemed like a conspiracy theory but in all fairness- a mistake that came out of a lab is certainly a possibility.

Do you have a link about the HIV gene sequences? I remember a preprint that claimed that, but the sequence were very short, not whole genes. Two where 6 amino acid long and the other where not exact matches, but a small matech nearby a small match.

For an analogy, let's imagine that the genome of the virus were a short esay, and the whole genes were sentences. It is like claiming plagirism, because two persons use the word "banana" and the word "apple" in another sentence and then they used "co???ion" and "in???ing" in another two sentences.

I don't have links about the HIV gene sequence but in the post I put every primary research article I could find about COVID-19 and HIV or T-Cells.

COVID-19 is bonding to T-cells and killing them, in a way that is similar to HIV but not exactly the same

It is the last article linked Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

The important part is in Table 1. If you take a look at the coincidences, the first two are equal but very short. The third one has a hole and it has a few differences

  RSYL---TPGDSSSG
  RTYLFNETRGNSSSG

The fourth one has also a big hole, but they are using another strain of the virus. This article has a more detailed analysis https://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-...

I included that study but it was retracted later. I believe that it is still valuable in the context of the bigger picture of research and the conversation on the subject.

There is other peer-reviewed research which is included

I think it was never officialy published. The other research articles don't claim that Covid-19 has copies of parts of HIV.

No- they claim that it attacks T-cells like HIV

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