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> Bill Gates has literally been preparing the last 20 years to make enormous amounts of money on a forced vaccination program

Is this one of those conspiracy theories I’ve been hearing about?

Bill Gates’ foundation has been giving away money for decades. If you think he’s planning to make a bunch of money off “forced vaccination”, you’re stuck in the past — Gates doesn’t care about making more money, he cares about getting the respect of his peer group & broader society. He’s not going to earn money off this, he’s going to earn respect.

That has nothing to do with “forced” vaccination, and everything to do with (the perception of) saving lives otherwise lost to this virus. If he funds a real vaccine, whether forced or not, he’ll accomplish his goal.

Please, leave the shortsighted “greed” conspiracy theories off this site.

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Perhaps it would indulge the conspiracy theories too much - but I'd kinda love to see an actual breakdown of how something like this could ever make him money. Think of the huge amount of money he has lost from this in the other businesses he owns and think of all the money he invested in this for decades he could have invested in other lucrative industries.

How much would he need from this supposed plan to even breakeven? Thirty billion?

That's why it's called a conspiracy theory, not a consistency theory.

These things usually break down with one or two questions that the person can't answer. Just like the 5G connection nonsense, if you ask how electromagnetic radiation in the spectrum that 5G uses has a connection to a virus (the most basic question possible) you will just get someone angry with you. It's almost fascinating how people can develop emotional attachment to something that fails a droplet of investigation.

I try with such questions and people still grip to their 100% nonsense claims even when you show them that they dont know what are they talking about and is not even logical for various reasons. But, I still mostly do it for other people who read or watch that and have still not fallen for dumb conspiresies so that they would hear a reasonable contraargument. We need more logic, reason and critical thinking in this world.

> how something like this could ever make him money.

It's really simple, less death from preventable diseases reduces poverty, and increasing the sustainable prices for Microsoft products and services. More revenue for Microsoft lifts stock price and billg's net worth.

Of course, the math doesn't add up if billg has to spend all his money to do it, and not just Microsoft reaps the benefits, which is why he's trying to get lots of other wealthy people to spend their money similarly --- then everyone who benefits can share the cost.

(Mostly toungue in cheek)

Your comment only appeals to people who already agree with you, therefore it’s useless. If you want people to take you seriously then you can begin by addressing any of his points rather than fixating on the word “money” as if that was his entire argument. I can’t see his comment because he edited it but I’m assuming he provided plenty of evidence such as the timing of Event 201 and its focus on coronaviruses. Maybe you can begin by convincingly addressing that. If you weren’t aware of Event 201 before reading my comment then you should stop sharing your opinion on this issue anywhere.

Event 201 as in the pandemic preparedness exercise? And its focus on coronaviruses because of SARS and MERS? Is that really all it takes to start an entire conspiracy lol

Oh, it takes far less than that to start a conspiracy theory.

The original comment didn’t mention event 201, it was literally just about money and how Gates was doing all this to get more of it, but really — all event 201 shows is that a coronavirus-based pandemic disaster was extremely predictable, not that it was planned. War games in secret rooms help predict outcomes, they don’t cause those outcomes.

Smart people have been concerned about a viral pandemic of this sort for centuries, and yet we were caught unprepared. That’s the real tragedy.

I do not believe any conspiracy theory about Gates and vaccines or anything else. But his comment about voting for Trump if the other candidate raise his taxes too much doesn't support the non greed argument ( he reiterated it after saying he was kidding with a straw man argument). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMMZ1Qzr1ag

> he cares about getting the respect of his peer group & broader society. He’s not going to earn money off this, he’s going to earn respect.

Whatever the case, you have to admit that you are taking for granted that his intentions are benign. There's no rule that billionaires have to be benevolent. There's a lot of soft power associated with a mandatory vaccination program but aside from that, the chipping that he is behind has an enormous (and dangerous) surveillance potential.

The man has the clout and resources to potentially install a physical, nonremovable beacon into people's bodies, and has spoken openly and repeatedly about doing so. How do you know he won't get drunk with that kind of power? A single man could, say, sway elections if he had access to just the location data for 300MM Americans. And there's really no way we'd know if the biometric/location data were being siphoned for "non government" use...

> you have to admit that you are taking for granted that his intentions are benign

Huh? I made no such assumption. I simply speculated that he was doing this for one form of currency, and not another. He may well want to track everybody, I have no idea.

But the whole premise is absurd. Bill Gates doesn’t need to inject tracking microchips into everyone through a forced vaccination program to “sway elections” — that’s Hollywood supervillain-level garbage: a massively intricate complex plan that achieves so little. It’s like inventing a time machine just to use it to prove to your friend that he really did say that thing he denies he said in 1972.

Bill Gates doesn’t need a crazy plan to sway elections — he can just buy tons of ads! He can fund others’ campaigns!

I don’t know Gates’ intentions — but I’m pretty sure he’s not stupid.

>But the whole premise is absurd. Bill Gates doesn’t need to inject tracking microchips into everyone through a forced vaccination program to “sway elections” — that’s Hollywood supervillain-level garbage: a massively intricate complex plan that achieves so little. It’s like inventing a time machine just to use it to prove to your friend that he really did say that thing he denies he said in 1972.

That's not what I'm talking about. You're conflating vaccination with the id2020 program. Different conspiracies. I'm just saying, if you implant an RFID digital certificate, you're effectively a walking uuid beacon. I'm not saying that's where he's going but the technology is there and his foundation is funding research into something like an RFID tattoo. Very easy to convince the masses that this is a necessary technology for safety given the new normal brought about by COVID19.

If I had billions of dollars I'd certainly be tempted to play worldbuilder. I very much doubt that he sees the masses as people - not out of heartlessness, but out of a necessary objectivity. They are statistics.

> I'm just saying, if you implant an RFID digital certificate, you're effectively a walking uuid beacon.

We already carry beacons in our pockets all the time, and the government is already a subpoena away from getting that data. What do injected beacons buy Bill Gates exactly? Whatever it is, it feels like a ton of effort for not a ton of gain, tracking-wise, given that the beacons we have already broadcast their location over a much larger area.

> Bill Gates doesn’t need a crazy plan to sway elections — he can just buy tons of ads! He can fund others’ campaigns!

Buying tons of ads seemed to work pretty well for Bloomberg.

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