Are we perhaps using less mechanical breathing devices here i Sweden?
Edit: this didn’t come out right... couldn’t find total icu death rate but have read stories about high mortality in NY.
If there was dishonest statistical comparison, this is the one.
In the UK it seems to be 50%.
Ventilators seem to exacerbate the condition for covid patients.
Sweden seem to have better success with intensive care than average.
Are we perhaps intubating less.
Train of thought ^.
I was assuming the 80% death rate was intubated ventilation.
From a glance, the US averages 3x the incidence rate of obesity as Sweden. Obese patients with existing health problems will result in substantially worse outcomes from Covid-19.
Also the swedish study is from 2012, so it's probably slightly higher now.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160604050632.h...
The trajectory of cases and deaths in Sweden does not seem special to me, generally they seem to follow similar curve as other countries so far.
Certainly doesn't seem to be well outside of the range of outcomes in other countries at any rate. From what I've read--no first hand knowledge--it's also a bit hard to interpret the effect of Sweden not locking down. Apparently, at least around Stockholm, many people were staying home and not traveling. On the other hand, in at least some places, people were still going to bars and the like so it's a bit of a mixed bag. Almost certainly not business as usual but also likely a fair bit looser than a lot of places with more formal lockdowns. (And there's even quite a bit of variance there.)
https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
This link opens a PDF download: https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c9b...
(17th April 2020)
> To date, ICNARC have been notified of 6664 admissions with confirmed COVID-19, either at or after admission to critical care, by critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Of these, early data covering the first 24 hours in the critical care unit have been submitted to ICNARC for 6313 admissions of 5578 patients (Figure 1 and Figure 2). Of the 5578 patients, 2936 have outcomes reported and 2642 patients were last reported as still receiving critical care (Figure 3). The largest number of patients (1924) are being managed by the three London Operational Delivery Networks (Figure 4). Please note that Figure 2 and Figure 3 are affected by a variable lag time for submission of data of about 1-3 days (shaded grey)
[...big snip...]
> Critical care unit outcomes have been received for only 2936 (of 5578) patients, of whom 1499 patients have died and 1437 have been discharged alive from critical care (Figure 8 and Figure 9).
There's probably some more stats about critical care capacity here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/04/the-latest-coronavirus...
Couldn’t find this data for us/ny.
It seems like there’s been a high focus on ventilator supply so I was just guessing a lot of severe icu cases would be put on one.
I have no idea, but would like to know.
A lot (100s) of deaths where old people have died of flu-like symptoms is counted as covid deaths. Teating has not been possible until just recently.
Likely an ICU patient in Sweden is in really bad condition seeing we have something like 90 ICU spots on 2,4 million people in Stockholm.
For example, in the Netherlands, in a blood test about 3% of the population was found to have antibodies, while the number of people confirmed to have corona via tests is at 0.15% of the population. We're looking at a 1:20 confirmed/actual rate.
That tells you testing is way off, about 20x so. The total tests performed is roughly similar to the US by the way, about 1 in 100.
Then there's death rates. The Netherlands currently saw 2 in 10.000 confirmed deaths from corona. This is about double the rate in the US. However if we look at excess deaths compared to a 3-year average for the same period (2017-2019) we see about triple the amount. Apparently 2 in 3 die of corona without it being tested or confirmed. (likely in nursing homes where mortality rates are often around 30% per year, and it's not uncommon for staff to find a patient died in their sleep for example).
And the Netherlands is a small country with high-quality public infrastructure. It's quite likely that it is among the countries with the best record-keeping system, and is among the countries with the highest tests per population, and even here we see massive undercounting of infections and deaths.
It's good to keep looking at the numbers, but only with a huge caveat. I'm actually completely flabbergasted that the media report on infection numbers without ANY mention of a confidence interval, standard deviation or some kind of uncertainty measurement, as well as some basic stats around testing methodologies, in particular when reporting cross-country comparisons. This should be the norm, but instead we just get country comparisons, world maps and graphs displaying wildly inaccurate and limited data (which is absolutely useful, but criminal to report without caveats). Apart from a mention about 'Chinese data isn't reliable' or 'India isn't testing much, so the problem may be far greater', there's really no consistent discussion about this. There's lots of standard statistical tools to express uncertainty which have been used in science for decades, but they're completely absent in our reporting or discussions at the moment.
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1251344851984986118
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1251346572656304128
> In the supplement they say 2 out of 371 + 35 known negative samples tested positive. This means that the 95% confidence interval for the false positive rate is [0.06%, 1.77%]. In their samples from Santa Clara County they had 50 / 3,349 = 1.5% test positive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States
"The obesity rate has steadily increased since the initial 1962 recording of 23%. By 2019, figures from the CDC found that more than one-third (36.5%) of U.S. adults[5] and 17% of children were obese.[6] A second study from the National Center for Health Statistics at the CDC showed that 39.6% of U.S. adults were obese as of 2015-2016 (37.9% for men and 41.1% for women).[7]"