Nitric oxide inhibits the replication cycle of SARS coronavirus (2004)
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NOS2 cofactors are; Heme, FAD, FMN, and BH4
Zinc - It helps make BH4 through the GCH1 and PTS enzymes from GTP.
Riboflavin - it is the precursor for FMN and FAD. Notably zinc is needed to turn riboflavin into FMD and FAD.
B6 (P5P) - Needed for Heme synthesis.
Beets - The nitrates are turned into NO in the gut.
Black Tea - Shown to increase NO. And shown to inhibit SARS: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142193/
Vitamin C - Helps protect BH4
But it is for certain another reason to examine zinc in health outcomes from SARS infection. The metal binding site of NOS is zinc also so...
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/riboflavin-transporter-def...
It is not about inhaling beets, it is trying to figure out a possible environmental cause for the wide discrepancy of outcomes of SARS infection. We make NO in our body, some need more help than others and it might be genetic.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S037811191... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5485952/
https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/14/1/191/htm#b4-ijms-14-00191
Although a study from China shows that higher UV exposure doesn't seem to slow down infection rates.
" UVA-induced decomposition of the NODs, like nitrite, leads not only to non-enzymatic formation of nitric oxide (NO), but also to toxic reactive nitrogen species (RNS), like peroxynitrite. Whereas under antioxidative conditions the generation of protective amounts of NO is favored, under oxidative conditions, less injurious reactive nitrogen species are generated, which may enhance UVA-induced cell death. "
But zinc is also a cofactor for ADAM17 which is responsible for shedding ACE2 from the cell. It is a possible route to lower cellular replication of the virus if the ACE2 cannot enter the cell.
Do you have any background in this, or any understanding of it?
Yes, I do.
If you want help understanding it just keep asking me questions about instead of trying to tease out my credentials. I am not stating theories, I am only throwing out some hypotheses.
Reference for beets being linked to NO isn't given. Wiki says "eNOS synthesizes NO from the terminal guanidine-nitrogen of L-arginine and oxygen and yields citrulline as a byproduct", how does that link to beets?
Thanks
Activation of Endothelial Nitric-oxide Synthase by the p38 MAPK in Response to Black Tea Polyphenols* https://www.jbc.org/content/279/45/46637.short
>Reference for beets being linked to NO isn't given.
Beetroot juice increase nitric oxide metabolites in both men and women regardless of body mass https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/09637486.2015.11...
Nitrates in vegetal foods are turned into nitric oxide in the GI tract.
If you do not understand nutritional science you should not believe anyone, and I am not advising anyone take anything and I am not writing for the lay person.
Credentials count for something, not everything, as you pointed out. But they suggest a good starting point. So please do post yours.
> If you do not understand nutritional science you should not believe anyone
That completely defeats the point of having experts, so I disagree. Experts exist so I don't have to spend 1/4 of my life becoming one in their area (so I become one in mine instead).
> and I am not writing for the lay person
Yes you are, this is a forum of lay people when it comes to nutritional science (although it's not nutritional science you're talking about, more biochemistry or something like that. Difference being 'eat 5 a day and cut down the salt' and knowing the details of serotonin denaturing by MAOI-B (or is it -A?))
I'll follow yer other stuff up tomorrow, when I'm sober. Alcohol dehydrogenase FTW.
No one is an expert on the nutrigenomics of COVID19, not even me. Again, I am talking hypothesis, not theory or practice. No one needs to be credentialed to have a hypothesis but just be prepared to have it questioned.
Old nutritional science was "cut out the salt", but it is going in a different direction.
There is a huge blood pressure drop when things get bad so more NO might make it worse.
But thanks.
They noticed: “oxygen does not enter molecules because of virus toxins, and instead of capturing 4 molecules the hemoglobin only captures one”. He did not have an opinion on wether nox can have a benefit but indeed it appears that people can breathe but the oxygen is not delivered. Very interesting.
But how do credentials help you other than to make you gullible when someone shows you their credentials? I am not saying I am correct and you should take a bunch of supplements, it is just some hypothesis.
I have time because it is my work and there is a pandemic that has given me the free time. I am sorry you do not have the interest in something that gives you passion so it looks like "mania" to you.
Edit: and just to add, credentials are to make the audience aware of the context and bias of the presenter, not to validate them. A virologist, biochemist, infectious disease specialist, nutritionist, epidemiologist, public health employee, and undergrad aspiring biology major have different perspectives and understanding of the domains involved. Witholding that context (with hostility) should always be suspect.
Sorry, I just do not want to post my credentials for privacy reasons.
Asking you now, are you concerned about peroxynitrite formation and are you doing anything to control it? Like IV Vitamin C?
https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13054-01...
Talking to an MD about IV Sodium Ascorbate, now he's really going to think that you are crack pot. I trust Linus Pauling more than I trust anyone else, but still.... :-)
My wife's oncologist has a degree, but I had spend 2 hours arguing with her before she realized that she was making a fundamental error in diagnosing my wife's cancer, a fundamental error she had been making for the last 10 years.
My wife has a PhD in Biochemistry, the Oncologist was a well known and highly respected physician, and I was just a guy with a Computer Science degree, but I was the only one to figure it out.
Suspect of what? What bias? I am just talking about science. Bu this is why I am here, to get away from all the credential posturing in academia. You are an MD, are you telling me you cannot commiserate with me on that point?
I stopped looking at credentials the first time I was awed by a new student. It was less about what he knew and more about how he thought. I will treat you with the same respect. I do not care if you have an MD.
This is the last time I will respond to this topic of credentials. If I was saying something stupid you would be attacking me on the science, but instead you are looking to qualify credentials, and that is my problem with health sciences and why there has been such poor progress in the field over the last 30 years.
So my general impression is that red blood cells are failing to get adequate oxygen, even in cases where the lungs aren't, per se, filled up with fluid to interfere with oxygenation of the blood. I saw a comment somewhere, and I can't find it at the moment, comparing this to altitude sickness, which is a thing I have read up on and which makes some sense to me in terms of my impression of the pathology here.
So what specific pathway would inhibit uptake of oxygen, even in the absence of pneumonia? Typically, that's a side effect of anemia, which can be caused by either lack of B vitamins or lack of iron (which I understand to be also called Heme -- correct me if I'm wrong as I am a lay person here, not a medical professional).
So I'm trying to envision a specific chemical process that disrupts uptake of oxygen or binding of oxygen to the red blood cell and which is not anemia.
This sounds an awful lot like how carbon monoxide poisoning works. So maybe that's a mechanism to look at. The body can be fooled, either by viruses or chemicals of various sorts, to lock up those pathways with things that interfere with what we need.
This is, as I understand it, how Zithromax causes magnesium deficiency: The drug binds to the same receptors as magnesium, so they compete for uptake in the body. You cannot successfully take them together. Taking them together both makes the antibiotic less effective (it should be taken, in fact, with something acid, not something alkaline) and it also prevents the body from adequately absorbing the magnesium.
In practice, the way around this is to time your use of Zithromax and magnesium so that uptake occurs at different hours of the day and they don't compete. This is possible because of the relatively long half life of Zithromax, which means you don't need frequent dosing.
So this is the kind of mental model I'm trying to wrap my mind around. I know some of these types of antagonistic processes exist and if we can figure out what the mechanism is here for how people are basically suffocating, it should cast light on a solution.
There does not seem to be evidence of this.
The trouble breathing and O2 exchange is happening because the aveoli are collapsing in bad cases. This occurs when pulmonary vasodilation causes fluid to get in between the aveoli and capillaries.
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There are a bunch of YouTube videos demonstrating how to do it if you search for them. The FDA also recently granted compassionate use authorization to a device that produces inhaled nitric oxide:
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/fda-expands-access-to-...
This is a great example of why people don't trust mainstream medicine. You have the WHO very publicly "debunking" the idea that garlic could prevent Covid-19, and then the FDA approves use of some multi-million dollar device with the same mechanism of action and the company's stock increases 5x in a day.
Non-mainstream medicine advises us to eat garlic with alcohol, wash with saline solution, take antibiotics, and burn down a mobile phone mast.
I'm not a physician, but I find some elements of non-mainstream medicine (e.g. certain teas can ease certain symptoms) more plausible than others (e.g. burning down a mobile phone mast helps with prevent covid19 spread).
The anti-5G nonsense is spread with a similar anti-government spin to the original post by Alex3917.
The herbal tea market includes everything from making your own ginger tea, to a box costing $20 and promoting some idea of ancient Indian spiritualism and vitality.
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.
Of course the provedness of medical treatments can vary, but statements on a random online shop don't really cut it for me.
In light of this, your claim makes much less sense.
Word of advice - pull your head out yer arse.
They are not referring to the direct inhalation of nitric oxide gas.
"...production of NO declines steadily with increasing age..." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3390088/)
It could also explain why heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure are comorbid for Covid 19 as they are all associated with lower N.O.
Just look at zinc and heart disease. I am just posting one study but the evidence is plentiful. https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/30/3/523.short
So if one has heart disease they may also be low in zinc. So zinc might be the common denominator to both CVD and COVID19. It is not that heart disease is a risk factor for COVID19, but that zinc deficiency is a risk factor for both.
And they find some odd effects in NO synthesis from zinc deficiency. It lowers NOS activity but has other bad effects as well:
https://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Abstract/2000/...
On the other hand, total nitric oxide synthase activity in the intestine of zinc-deficient animals is significantly lower than that in controls, indicating that zinc deficiency may induce a potential vulnerability to nitric oxide rather than an absolute increase of nitric oxide synthase activities.
Edit: "Role of epithelial nitric oxide in airway viral infection" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S089158490... says NO inhibits both virus replication and latency of viruses, including coxsackievirus, influenza A and B, rhinovirus, cytomegalovirus, vaccinia virus, ectromelia virus, human herpesvirus-1, and HPIV3 and cites 10 papers for these claims.
To some extent this is self-healing, though, in that in a giant outbreak like this someone's going to try every promising-looking technique in practice and return good data on real world results.
It’s far too convenient to have a distilled source of nutrients/flavor as opposed to shopping, cleaning, preparing it and then storing it such that it is available without a lot of thought/planning.
Of course, this is not a general statement, it only applies to some stuff. I enjoy “regular” food too much for that!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2939908/
Malaria severity and human nitric oxide synthase type 2 (NOS2) promoter haplotypes
And that can lead to higher cytokine levels https://www.jbc.org/content/277/3/2330
which are helpful to a certain extent...
Was there some anecdotal data related to smoking and infection rate?
I know very little about biology.
Nicotine on its own will inhibit GCH1 and lower levels of BH4 directly. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6201367/
So no.
Anti-hypertensive Angiotensin II receptor blockers associated to mitigation of disease severity in elderly COVID-19 patients https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.20.20039586v...
Treatment with ACE-inhibitors is associated with less severe disease with SARS-Covid-19 infection in a multi-site UK acute Hospital Trust https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.07.20056788v...
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But seriously, it can't be good to walk around with a boner all day every day. Could be intimidating for women too. And embarrassing for men. Maybe if it's effective to people already infected and in hospital anyway. But I couldn't see this socially feasible as a preventative drug.
That's not how viagra works. It makes an erection possible, it doesn't cause one.
it inhibits an enzyme responsible for constricting bloodflow, as far as I know.
the whole viagra causes boners thing is really just a convenient gimmick for comedians.
if you want something that causes a boner, look at percutaneous perineal electrostimulation[0].
when THAT becomes the treatment for covid19 we're in trouble.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/doctors-puzzle-over...
http://www.icopal-noxite.co.uk/nox-problem/nox-pollution.asp...
N2O is nitrous oxide. Laughing gas.