What Armenians should know about life in America (2014)
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I’ve been back in the US a while now and things have changed both here and in Armenia. I don’t think the big picture on offer is much different, but perhaps there’s room for a sequel.
It seems that it is expected amongst the native citizens that you be grateful to be provided the privilege of living in a developed nation (my own experience). If you want to critique, you can always go back to your third world nation where you came from ("if it's so bad, why are you still here?").
This article is an excellent showcase for why you can be grateful for the opportunities and still point out what isn't normal by other countries standards and what can be improved.
thank you
But, I also think it's normal that sometimes things work the way they do because it's part of the local culture and the natives actually like it that way. Other times, of course, the bad aspect is just dumb, yet also very hard to fix (American healthcare).
In the last couple of decades in America, some "thought leaders" have made a serious effort to convince us that "it's like that because we live here and like it that way" is not a valid reason, at least when that reasoning gets in the way of the country being more of a commercial clearing house. In other words, a political trend to convince Americans that if you don't have an economic argument, you don't have an argument. This frustrates many people, and I guess sometimes makes them say reductivist stuff like "if it's so bad, why are you still here?"
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Eg take for example the lonely individualism and lack of community the article talks about. If you discuss that with an American gender studies student, they'll say "oh we have many studies about that, it's called toxic masculinity" which implies it's a global problem with men who need to be "fixed". But actually as the article points out, no such lonely individualism exists for men in many other cultures, so it could more accurately be called "toxic Americanism".
Literally the second paragraph of your link: "Self-reliance and emotional repression are correlated with increased psychological problems in men such as depression, increased stress, and substance abuse."
"Self-reliance and emotional repression" are phenomena which as the OP article says, are much less present in eg Armenia than America.
Writing a blog post of your own opinions is courageous?
This seems like a pretty standard blog post where the author has strong opinions about how people should live and then critics his adopted country using those same opinions.
Still, I’m pretty sure many readers in Country X would agree that “shitting on Country X is the Internet’s favourite pastime”, or perhaps “among the favourite pastimes of the Internet”.
Well, I’ve been here since I was 6. It’s home. I’m not going anywhere. I’m still allowed to have a critical view.
"Few people can prepare themselves for the degree to which Americans have, in the last half-century or so, taken this entire corpus of human experience and thrown it completely into the trash, with the exception of a few older cities–not the places where the majority of Americans live. What has replaced it is a surreal moonscape. For those accustomed to the traditional urban civilisation, the primary question in America is: where do I go? What do I do? Looking around leads to an intangible but intense realisation of emptiness. "
That may be the thing which saves the US in a pandemic like this.
Gotta love the constant car hate that is usually coupled with an anti-development NIMBY attitude that prevents denser cities.
Also, not everyone can afford to live in dense cities. Cities may be even worse in terms of pollution if we cared to look at data rather.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-s...
Urban areas are usually celebrated for their energy efficiency and low per capita carbon dioxide emissions,
but such accounting ignores how and where they acquire their resources
Poor people commute for miles to denser cities for jobs everyday not because they want to pollute but because they have no other choice.It is usually the poor racial minorities who end up commuting for hours daily.
https://www.abc10.com/article/traffic/she-commutes-from-stoc...
https://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_speck_the_walkable_city/trans...
And yes, you're right, people with less economic means aren't commuting for fun, but cars just enable that. If you don't have a car and can't commute, either you move closer to your job or your job has to move closer to you.
Totally, everyone can afford to move to SF right?
As far as the pandemic, it's interesting that it's obvious to most folks that people riding the subway to work in a big office tower represent a lot of concentration and exposure, but not so obvious that the people driving in from many miles around to the Costco also represent a similar concentration and exposure.
If you'd like a more detailed explanation of this, I found this article really thoughtful: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/3/25/effective-quar...
I've been waiting for this view to be shared by anyone else. I've been in the US for 20 years, since I was 11 years old.
Midwest -> West Coast -> Midwest.
In the Midwest, it's hard to live anywhere but suburbia. Five years in California, and the best time I had was two years in a 300 sq ft in-law apartment in Berkeley, squashed in between friendly neighbors, cousins and frequent visitors.
I've lived in India, China and traveled many other developing nations including Brazil and parts of Africa. The stark difference to mental and emotional well-being is scary. At this time, I don't know if the conveniences of American life are worth the hit.
Suburbia is harmful to mental and emotional well-being and it's unavoidable for the vast majority of Americans.
There's a level of isolation in the suburban US that's hard to put into words if you haven't experienced any alternatives. That may also be true for other developed nations, I don't have first hand experience.
I'm in my mid 20's living on the West coast, and have seriously considered getting a 2bed condo or small house and asking my parents to move in with me. I'm white and my parents are from the US as well, so it's not something that's culturally expected of me at all - it just seems like a good idea for socialization, getting help around the house, maintaining relationships. But when I've broached the topic with friends and even my own parents they think I'm absolutely crazy. I could see it being harmful for dating solely because of the cultural expectations, but I really don't see what the problem would be.
Suburbia is also so harmful to the elderly. I saw it happen to my grandparents where they usually only socialized with each other indefinitely unless someone came to visit with them. They couldn't drive, so they had to have someone get groceries for them or take them shopping every week. They had no need to walk around or climb stairs on a regular basis, so entire parts of their own home were completely off limits to them, and I think it contributed to them losing the ability to do so. Of course they didn't want to leave their house, but living in suburbia also made it much harder for family members to take care of them, because everything was out of the way. Thinking about it still makes me sick - it seems so stupid to me that this is the life we decided to invest in across most of the country.
The way you describe it is that it's some bizarre form of living that was forced upon people.
I live and work in a mid sized town in the Midwest. My main uses for a car are related to being a part time working musician, and I could probably figure out how to use Uber/Lyft/Cab for that activity. My spouse and I can both bike to work, and are within walk / bike distance of basic shopping.
But if you want that lifestyle, you have to demand it. Perhaps somewhere like Berkeley, you don't demand it because it's thrust on you, or the alternative involves 2 hour commutes each way. Perhaps you won't be as choosy about your job, which in any event is a feature of living in a less dense / rich area.
And of course the other problem with the US is that you feel like you have to reach for that high income, because of the risks of being poor or even middle class in a cutthroat society. I suspect if we had free health care and a better safety net, people would be more willing to make those "sacrifices" and live a slower paced lifestyle.
The "problem that has no name" is, IMO, very real: I spent some time living in Lynnwood WA, just north of Seattle, for a job and it was "unrivaled in its monotony and depressing blandness" despite being quite nice in many ways. It was just so empty.
Christopher Alexander has done a fantastic job of putting forth a solution (Pattern Language; Nature of Order) and his main site is actually called "Living Neighborhoods". https://www.livingneighborhoods.org/ht-0/bln-exp.htm
What to do about the rest of it I have no idea.
As an Washington DC area kid who visited Ottawa as a teenager (Canadian relatives), aside from having to go through customs and everything being in French as well as English, I felt right at home.
I spent some time in Canada, and yeah, it's "America, but civilized." ;-) The main cultural difference is that they never threw off English rule, they're still technically subjects of Her Majesty the Queen of England (or something like that.) Quebec has this dual culture going on where the French were overthrown by the English and are still a little huffy over it from time to time.
I don't have any idea how CA stacks up to the USA on all the points the article raised though.
The role of Quebec can be understood as Aboriginal, British and French are considered the founding people and English and French should have equal status throughout the government. It's also a very populous province that, by uniting around a single Quebecois political party, has to be considered in deal-making.
It boggles the mind why people think this of Canada. The queen takes up a combined 0% of our collective thoughts and concerns. English rule is non existant, we're a sovereign nation.
With the possible exemption of some archaic laws 99% of people wouldn't be able to cite, England has 0 influence over Canada.
Likewise your assessment of Quebec is quite dated by a few hundred years. It's the equivalent of Europeans wondering if the US south is still dealing in slaves. With that said, tensions in Québec are not imagined, but they often miss attributed. As an English Québec I feel I can confidently state that issues are almost 100% due to how the government of Quebec desperately seeks ways to preserve their French culture while being in the middle of North America. Most of their laws and issues, no matter how misguided come from this very understandable motivation to keep their culture.
In re: Quebec specifically, I was obliquely referencing the 1980 Quebec independence referendum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Quebec_referendum) and the laws about having French names on stores, that kind of thing. But yeah, FWIW, I agree with your assessment.
> Much of the rest of the world takes for granted architectural principles of how to build life-affirming human settlements. These principles evolved over thousands of years, and it’s no accident that so many cultures reached the same conclusions. Urban Europeans, and indeed Armenians, are accustomed to vertical growth, mixed-use development (shops on first floor, apartments above), sidewalks, plazas, public squares and street cafes. These are the fixtures amidst which your halcyon childhood days played out, where you walked hand in hand with your first love, where you met friends for coffee, and hopped the train to work. It’s the corner with the pastry shop, it’s the supermarket down the street, and the bench in between.
> Few people can prepare themselves for the degree to which Americans have, in the last half-century or so, taken this entire corpus of human experience and thrown it completely into the trash, with the exception of a few older cities–not the places where the majority of Americans live. What has replaced it is a surreal moonscape. For those accustomed to the traditional urban civilisation, the primary question in America is: where do I go? What do I do? Looking around leads to an intangible but intense realisation of emptiness. Suburbia is both a cause and an effect of the destruction of civic and community life in America: there’s increasingly little to come home to, and vanishingly little to go out to.
Furthermore, there is a distinct lack of independence for teens who can't drive - the nearest non-residential building can be more than a mile away. Even if you can drive, the popular destinations for errands are big-brands like starbucks, walmart, and CVS. Public transport is practically nonexistant.
This is obviously anecdotal and I think you make a good point, but it should still be considered that being familiar with American suburbia does not mean that it's impersonal and almost surreal nature is invisible to those who grew up there.
That reads as though it were written by an alien. L'enfer c'est les autres. The idea of being required to live in an apartment above and next to a bunch of other people I didn't choose, and where I am immediately confronted by teeming masses of humanity whenever I leave my residence, is a dystopian nightmare, like Winston Smith in 1984 or something. This is the exact opposite of "life-affirming".
(I am perhaps exaggerating a bit, but the writer acting as if this is some sort of universal desire is ridiculous.)
That might not immediately seem so bad, but imagine that you didn't own a car (due to being too young or too poor). Then, suburban life may start to feel positively suffocating.
One only realizes what the writer is talking about when it is part of their experience growing up. You can't universally desire it but only reflect back at what you had and decide how it was for you.
I suppose they did prefer it that way. They voted with their dollars and they ended up with main drags that run for miles, filled with parking lots, strip malls, mega-stores, and fast food restaurants.
When I've gone back in the last couple of years, it's not quite as bad as it was in my memory. It still has the same nationally marketed conformity, but it is not as uncontested as it used to be. There are a lot of mom and pop ethnic restaurants, for one thing. It's not as uniformly crass as I remember.
I took a long, rambling walk while I was on a visit last year, and I was pleasantly surprised. Off the main roads, in the residential areas, it can actually be an interesting place. Maybe this is true of almost anywhere. Of course, it is all built for people to get in their cars and drive to the business districts.
Growing up wasn't all ${nationalBurgerChain} and car culture, though. My friends and I rode our bikes for miles, and anywhere we found woods or swamp we built forts and played make-believe games with D&D themes.
Otho: "We're dealing with negative entertainment potential. There's absolutely no organic flow through."
Delia: "I noticed that, too. It's like a giant ant farm."
Outside Armenia, this article was a fantastic introduction to immigration to USA and as I’m working on that process with my wife now, I think what I’ve read here can help me better explain what to expect to her. Thanks for writing this.
1. Suburbia is very distinct from European-style cities. It is monotonous, very sparse and requires a car to live there. Most of the people in the US live there!
2. The life there is very lonely for someone accustomed to less individualistic societies. And for Americans as well, so they heavily medicate their mental problems which would probably just not show up in more close-knit societies.
3. The legal system is obsessed with letter of the law and disregards its spirit. For-profit prisons lead to the highest incarceration rate in the world. Plea bargaining practice also contributes to codifying unreasonably harsh punishments. It can be traced back to the Bill of Rights that sets basic procedures and not basic principles.
4. Compared to Western Europe, the taxes are on average somewhat lower but the services provided by the state are much worse.
5. Healthcare is costlier than either a truly free market would provide or a socialized system.
6. The war on drugs is fought brutally from all sides, and you are very likely to suffer some damage from it.
7. It is a good place for you if you are young and entrepreneurial. It can provide you with great opportunities but it's hard to lead a stable and calm life there.
This is usually the case in America vice versa, comparing the best aspects of life in America with the worst in other countries. In reality, an individual living an ordinary life might actually be happier than those in America.
Is this an Armenian thing or an immigrant families in general thing? From my perspective that's a breathtaking level of entitlement. If I accomplished the difficult task of establishing myself in a new country and was then generous enough to donate money to my relatives on an ongoing basis, whining about how much I give them would probably result not only in the money stopping but me never speaking to them again.
The US as a society is highly individualistic. Living on your own at 18 for instance, is considered absurd in a lot of regions of the world because children are supposed to care for their father/mother later in life.
As a data point, my family (and most others I know) doesn't consider its member's wealth really separate. My parents consider their wealth as ours (the children's) too, my sister and I would spend all our wealth taking care of our parents if they needed it, etc.
1. Many countries are much more collectivist than the USA. If in your family or clan or tribe or village someone starves, and someone has food (or money), then the expectation is that the food flows to where it is needed. There is much less “mine vs yours”.
2. The difference between market exchange rates and purchase power parity, taking into account the cost of living. A household gross salary of say 72k p.a. in the Bay Area might really not be very much, but 6000 USD per month seem huge for a family in the Philippines or Armenia. So you should be able to give up 1000$ a month easily - it would help the family at home immeasurably, while for you going from 6000 to still unimaginably opulent 5000 should be peanuts.
3. As highlighted by the author, the USA epitomises wealth for many. The reality that many Americans also live precariously or even struggle hasn’t arrived in less educated circles (and most US TV shows consumed abroad don’t help to correct that picture).
One of my friends is married to a Chinese woman, and she sends money back to her parents in China every month.
That might not seem a bad thing by itself, but her parents are constantly pushing her to send more, and berating her for not doing well enough to send more. She has 3 siblings, all of whom also live outside of China and send money back, and her parents make a kind of nasty competition out of it. Poor woman has been in tears plenty times because of it. My friend isn't too impressed with this, especially as she actually sends more money back that she keeps for them.
Living in Germany, I think this might explain why I get into arguments with people on HN when I comment about the unfairness of the system. There may be a mismatch between our experiences. It seems that working hard does seem to lead to success for most people in America.
I think it could be that there are fewer cracks in the system and therefore fewer people tend to fall through them as they do in Europe... That said, as few cracks as there may be in the US system, those that do exist seem to run deep; people who fall through them may have a much harder fall; it doesn't surprise me that the US has a homelessness and opioid problem - That's what happens to people who fall through the cracks; you don't see them on HN complaining about how unfair things are (as I tend to do - Complaining is an activity reserved for partial losers, not complete losers).
In America, the winners get to shoot rockets up into space. On the other hand, the only things that losers shoot up are schools and heroin...
American commute times are actually the third lowest in the OECD.
1. American commutes tend to be by car. Other countries have more walking, biking and transit commutes. (Note that foreign transit tends to be more relaxing than American transit). And a walk or bike commute is exercise, which americans have to go to the gym to do. 2. In cities, American commutes are much longer than average. The article was talking about urban centers where immigrants go, so it would be instructive to compare to foreign city commutes. 3. Other datasets show the US having longer relative commute times.
https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2011/10/american-comm...
Another thing is in mixed-use developments, you might not have to go too far. My block is entirely condos, but the next block has a pharmacy and a grocery store, and the block the other way has a grocery store, a few fast food places, and across the street is a rather nice sushi place and a bar. Instead of going to the things, you just live where the things are.
You're showing your true face with this projection and it is a very bad look.
Meanwhile, as somebody outside that land of that weird projection: I've lived in some of the "worst neighborhoods" of my city, as an ethnic group that very much did not fit into that area, and have never felt anything but safe walking down the street. To the best of my recollection my SO never felt worried even as she walked a mile-plus to the train every day, either.
Crime happens, certainly. It is not some terrifying scourge and it also happens to not be isolated to the racial groups you fear or hate or both--and I'd appreciate if you don't dissemble about this one 'cause let's be honest, you're not exactly showing enough subtlety to not scarequote "youths" and we all know what that means in America in 2020.
I was personally attacked in SF but keep ignoring that there is not problem.
Definitely one of the more 'wtf' moments when I moved.
Take out a FLIR imager and observe that every window is a black hole compared to even poorly insulated walls.
Doing labor has been stigmatized in most of the world for the last few thousand years. You could be excluded from "polite society" on the strength of a rumor that you personally produced goods you sold.
Of course, for most of history, there were a large number of people who knew they stood at the bottom of society and so were willing to do these sorts of jobs anyway, but that's not quite the same issue.
Besides, I think the comment you were replying to was really about the almost complete absence of post-secondary "technical education" in the USA, in particular when compared to countries like Germany.
Are these two different phenomena? If there are more glaziers in Armenia than there are in America, is that because Armenia sends the message "glaziers are winners" and America says "glaziers are losers", or because America sends the message "no matter who you are, you're a winner, and therefore you shouldn't be a glazier" while Armenia is fine with telling its losers that maybe winning isn't for them and they should consider being a glazier?
In a country that sends the message "being a plumber means you're fairly stupid, have no other talents and are doing a nasty, dirty usless job", people won't aspire to being plumbers.
Note that in the US at least, experienced & skilled plumbers are paid above median income (in some cases, a lot above median).
Something analogous is true in India, where men are willing to take substantial pay cuts (~50%) in order to hold a white-collar job instead of a blue-collar job. They do that because women don't want to marry blue-collar workers.
Focusing on income levels in marketing to the men would seem to be misplaced.
I am guessing the person above got a quote for premium custom windows in a large house.
I have odd-ball sizes in my home that aren't double-hung style, and basic vinyl double-pane windows were about 1,000/ea on average.
Currently more and more houses do triple glassing by default in Switzerland. Double glassing is already done since the 80’s and mandatory for all new house since a long time.
Obviously its more expensive so energy saving standards and energy prices have a lot of impact on how houses are built or renovated. Especially in Texas energy is cheap and I can see that there are not a lot of incentives to invest in lower energy usage by building more expensive.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-ameri...
Not really, no. You can build a much bigger house and/or save money for upgrades to things that are expected to increase the later sale value of the house (chiefly, the kitchen, but also things like nice outdoor spaces) instead of building with brick. In some areas brick houses are more common but they are mostly older ones. It’s difficult to recover the extra cost of building with brick when selling a house, so it’s rarely done. Since most houses are build by housing developers contracted to one or more newly-building neighborhoods, they’re very sensitive to anything that would reduce their margins or see finished houses sit on their books, and all-brick construction would usually do that.
Brick is sometimes used in pasted-on façades, usually as a kind of “skirt” on the lower part of the front of the house. These may not even be full bricks, but ones cut lengthwise to maximize use of material and reduce weight (see: “pasted-on”)
[EDIT] I should add that the overriding concern of almost all home construction and renovation in the US is reducing the amount of labor required. That’s where most of the cost is, so it’s ruthlessly optimized.
Everything is done to minimum standards in the US because of paradoxical markets like banks competing to give mortgages. The bank that wants only houses that will survive the mortgage let alone second buyers mortgage (for the threat to resale value) loses.
What about all these illegal immigrants I keep hearing about in the news? Shouldn't they depress the cost of manual labor?
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22autoUpdat...
Not everyone. In "flyover country" there are a lot of solid craftsmen doing solid work.
Anyway, ONE reason is that the drywall home is more pliable - you can adjust the layout and change out the wiring / piping with relative ease. Of course, at that point you don't have much house left, other than a few supporting structures.
The American home is really the cement basement/foundation (outside of Florida), a carrier beam or two across the basement (metal) and a few wood carrier beams on the upper floor / floors. Insulation is typically fiberglass. After that, there is not much substance to it. The brick on the outside does not bear weight.
They do last a decent amount of time when maintained though. Then again, maintenance is high.
I miss living in houses made of wood. And how easily central air systems are installed in wooden homes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(construction)#Balloon...
(Platform framing is different from balloon framing in some details, but that's not important for our purposes.) The gaps between the vertical "studs" allow insulation to be put in, covering ~90% of the surface area. I forget the details, but there are code and construction-method developments that are working to raise this figure closer to 100%.
The final wall would then be a roughly 7" sandwich. Details vary, but perhaps 1" exterior cladding - stucco, siding, etc., 5.5" of insulation where the frame is, 0.75" of interior wallboard ("drywall"). In older homes, alas, the insulation is thinner than 5.5".
The brick, concrete, concrete-block, and stone construction methods I know about do not allow such a thick layer of insulation. I know there are products available to get higher insulating value in less thickness, thus allowing for 3" of brick + 3" of rigid foam, but of course these are applicable to both methods.
And, as I've tried to clarify, the concrete-block methods I know about have areas where there is a non-insulating path through the concrete.
Perhaps there are other concrete or brick methods that provide significant insulating value, that I'm not aware of, that are realistic for single-family homes?
I think we're moving away from bricks because everybody has A/C now. But houses are still "solid", with a concrete skeleton and walls that you can't "punch through", at least the outer walls.
Many people of former soviet nations simply own their appartments/houses and do not have a mortage. Usually these appartments are inhereted
So the houses are not built to adequately handle rain and are drafty due to colder temps here. WA state finally started instituting more specific build codes that match the region in the late 90s and 2000s
Or the house is already built, and tearing it down to make a brick one is $$$ plus permit maybe will be denied.
And most homebuilding companies only use wood.
> Even poor people don't build houses from plywood. But in America it seems that everyone, poor and rich builds extremely fragile houses.
It isn't generally just plywood, that would be a very unusual house.
As for your question of cost, with brick exterior walls, the marginal cost of interior volume decreases with size, so the question of an "awesome house" kinda changes. What people expect to be paid for labour is also higher.
Brick is not a panacea, when it comes to building houses. It is an efficient thermal conductor, so insulation is more difficult, the way you have to fasten the interior of the house to it causes thermal bridging. Common ways of constructing brick buildings can cause condensation on the inside in cold winters, which can cause damage and harm air quality.
There are two and three hundred year old timber homes. It is quite doable if you have large enough overhangs, and a durable roof.
Also keep in mind Russia and Kazakhstan have a completely different climate to most of North America.
Then on top of all of this, a lot of North Americans think of houses very differently. There are people who are building for a lifetime and a legacy, but most are content to have a comfortable sizeable dwelling which isn't going to collapse. It's fine to build a mediocre timber home, if it means that people get more or less what they wanted. As somebody who appreciates fine quality housing, I'd like it another way, but it seems that my fellow North Americans have something else in mind, and that's their business.
How do you have sex in that? How do your teenagers have sex in that? Is that what you wanted or merely what you put up with because you don't know that it could be done any better?
Also: open plan kitchen. You can't cook in there; if you do everything smells of cooking and it covered with oil mist in short order. You can't remodel, because you house is your biggest tax-free leveraged savings vehicle and Americans are surprisingly conformist; your remodel just won't sell.
I don't generally put up with it, but who am I to dictate everyone else's standards for their own living?
> Also: open plan kitchen. You can't cook in there; if you do everything smells of cooking and it covered with oil mist in short order
Open plan kitchens are fine if you have a proper range hood, but yeah, some people undersize their range hoods... but also lots of people don't cook much.
I like my open plan kitchen because I can be cooking, and supervising my young kid playing in the living room at the same time. Or, if guests are over, I can be cooking dinner and still be part of the conversation.
Further, the American model might be more susceptible to damage, but the damage is more cheaply repaired. It also lends itself to remodel as trends change (e.g., central heating and airconditioning, innovations in indoor plumbing [like removing lead-based plumbing], computer networking, as well as changes in interior layout trends), which allows a property to hold more value for longer.
Maybe it has to do with competitions. Many old European houses are made of stone. New houses have to compare to that.
Land anywhere you'd want to live, that has planning permission for buildings, is very expensive.
There is a lot less land in the UK than there is the US, and planning regulations can make things difficult.
This results in many requirements for living being close together(shops, markets etc).
Also, the automobile made it possible to create large suburbs in america. In many european cities the focus on the car didn't happen because spending money on a car was not a reality for many people. (americans own considerable more cars then most europeans, and have so for decades, even compared to western european countries).
2) The invention of air conditioning (and low prices for heating) allow inefficient architectures while maintaining reasonable comfort.
3) Corporatization of construction led to structures that are efficient and quick to erect.
4) Insurability of a tract house with standard architecture is much better, due to predictable materials + labor costs.
But yes, the preferred strategy for dealing with a tornado is a basement, below-ground shelter (aka root cellar) or concrete-and-steel "panic room", all of which are designed to protect the occupants, not the entire house.
In America, houses in Maine can be built completely differently from houses in Florida.
The reason we don't build out of stone/brick, besides cost of construction, is that they're terrible insulators. So your heating or AC bill is going to go absolutely through the roof.
A wood frame stuffed with insulation means your home can be energy-efficient. This is a good thing.
We don't fetishize a house being "solid" and we don't generally punch our walls on a regular basis. :) "Solid" sounds like a big waste of money to me.
It seems this fetish is spreading. My family is from a fairly small island in the Mediterranean where all the houses are constructed of solid reinforced concrete and foreigners who are buying property for vacation homes have been putting up little timber boxes which are the subject of local gossip.
brick walls have good downward (and in-line lateral) force resistance and suck at every other direction and torsion. tornado forces are multi-directional. wood frame walls are strapped down to the foundation in earthquake/tornado zones. plywood acts against (some) lateral and torsional forces.
plus, flying bricks are more dangerous to squishy humans.
In either case, building a home out of stone would do very little to stop, say, a refrigerator picked up by the tornado moving at 200 mph. Nor will it stop the house from pressurizing and blowing the roof off, stone or no stone. I mean, it could, if the walls were a foot thick each and there were no windows.
As a result, most Americans in the Tornado Alley (who can afford it) have a basement that has stone walls, and just accept the small probability that they lose almost all of their home.
The very opposite. A thin layer of plywood is a terrible insulator. Bricks are very good.
A wood-frame house with the framing elements filled with appropriate thicknesses of insulation is a very, very much better insulated structure than one made (only) of brick.
Wooden houses have wooden frames, with the wooden beams spread out, so that the space between them is chock-full of insulation.
This insulation is far, far, far superior than brick/stone can ever be. Brick is a terrible insulator. That's just a fact.
For thermal protection you can add the same insulation as for the wooden frame.
How those stone houses in New England fare during the year, are they that obsolete in terms of insulation?
It's my experience that our American housing/apartment market is obsessed with pictures and numbers. Square footage. Dazzling photos. Checklists of amenities.
And this has been the source of much misery for me. For years I have hunted for somewhere to live with even a modicum of soundproofing. I've tried older duplex buildings with deep basements that are now illegal for fire escape reasons, higher end apartments, standalone houses, ...
Nobody advertises based on "soundproofing", with one exception that was ultimately a lie. Nobody advertises based on air system quality.
It's like we have completely forgotten that we have any senses other than sight.
Then why is wood more isolating than stone? Have you ever visited a medieval castle in the heat of summer? I guarantee that the thick stone walls offer more insulation than any modern home I've ever visited. Of course, we don't make walls that thick, but the material is not at issue.
Brick/stone/adobe are not insulators. They have substantial thermal mass, which means that they act to stabilize temperature. Put differently, they create a phase delay between exterior and interior temperatures changes.
The problem with this model is that it works in both ways if you live in a climate (like much of the USA) with substantial swings in typical daily temperatures between seasons.
The same massively thick stone wall that keeps the medieval castle cool in the heat of summer is also chilled to well below freezing by the deep cold of winter, and turns the castle (or whatever) into an icebox.
This is why sensible construction involves both thermal mass (stone/brick/adobe) and insulation. The former helps stabilize temperature, the latter prevents substantial gradients between the structure and the interior (or exterior) from causing major energy flow.
Aerated concrete for walls is a very awesome idea from Europe, but it’s not structural and by the time you build the structure for a typical two storey I’d bet that stick framing would be cheaper.
Euros typically put a much higher ratio of their income into housing and are willing to spend more. Same for Japan, and they build very good houses, but then tear them down after a couple of generations.
It's not that wood is super-insulating (though it's certainly better than stone). It's that wooden beams are spread far apart, and the space between them can be chock-full of insulation.
And as another commenter pointed out, the main reason isn't summertime insulation -- it's wintertime insulation. Stone is freezing. When it's -20°C out, insulation in between wooden beams makes all the difference.
Concrete blocks filled with insulation still just have way too much concrete to transmit the cold directly from outside to inside.
I'm writing this from a perfectly insulated 200 years old stone house. We've got access to a wide array of insulation technology in Europe, often in the form of panels that can be used to renovate an older building. And you can just blast insulation on the bottom part of a roof, which costs a penny and takes care of a most of your thermal dissipation. Plus insulation is getting subsidized when the government wants to save energy.
>"Solid" sounds like a big waste of money to me.
Paying for a paper house sounds like a scam to me.
"Solid" houses are "immutable", and "paper" houses are "mutable".
I recently redid some plumbing in my "paper" house. It was real easy: shut off the water, cut some dry wall, make the fix, put some drywall back in, plaster, and paint.
How would this work in a solid house? Do I need to jackhammer through stone and then mix concrete to seal it back up when I'm done?
I see we can have all kinds of analogies; I guess habits play a big role here. Different places in USA have different house styles - it's a big country.
I've got copper tubing running along the bottom of the walls and going through inner walls and flooring. I can't think of anything going through the outer walls. We've got an antenna cable routed through a window frame.
Look, you're emotionally attached to the kind of house construction you grew up in as a kid. I can get that.
But do you realize how freezing it gets in the northeast USA here? When it's -10°C or -20°C, I don't care how insulated your roof is, your walls matter a ton. Stone makes zero sense.
And even suppose you wanted a house made out of stone. It would just so much more expensive to build it's crazy. People don't have the money for it.
There's zero "scam" here. Our houses are not "paper". You do realize we're not building houses out of plywood sheets, right? That we use strong wooden beams that can be covered in whatever siding material you want?
And that wooden houses aren't a "new cheap" thing -- I had friends in high school who lived in 150-year-old wooden houses. They're wonderful and charming, full of history.
Seriously. I do not understand this prejudice at all. Where does it come from?
Like, do you see news photos of destruction of trailer parks in hurricanes and blindly assume that's what happens to our houses (totally different thing) with a slight gust of wind? Because that's seriously the only thing I can guess here.
Well, we do come from societies where having a house made of stone meant it wouldn't entirely burn in the next war.
>Look, you're emotionally attached to the kind of house construction you grew up in as a kid. I can get that.
This isn't some misplaced nostalgia for archaic traditions. It's how everybody lives on my fucking continent.
>But do you realize how freezing it gets in the northeast USA here? When it's -10°C or -20°C, I don't care how insulated your roof is, your walls matter a ton. Stone makes zero sense.
I honestly couldn't tell how right or wrong you are. On one hand the countries I know that reach those temperatures do like wooden houses, on the other hand they have an overabundance of timber. In any case it's entirely irrelevant to the weather in most of the US, where they still build like that.
>And even suppose you wanted a house made out of stone. It would just so much more expensive to build it's crazy. People don't have the money for it.
Our cheap default building material is concrete blocks. But stone is still an option.
>And that wooden houses aren't a "new cheap" thing -- I had friends in high school who lived in 150-year-old wooden houses. They're wonderful and charming, full of history.
I have a 700 year old house round the corner. I don't know of any wooden building in the area older than the late 1600s. It's just not made to last.
>Where does it come from?
France.
>Like, do you see news photos of destruction of trailer parks in hurricanes and blindly assume that's what happens to our houses (totally different thing) with a slight gust of wind? Because that's seriously the only thing I can guess here.
Well, everybody's seen those images of houses torn by tornadoes, or rotting from flooding, or burned to a crisp, or just crumbling after a few decades of neglect.
I'm looking into buying at the moment, and I've got my eyes on a few houses. All traditional houses made out of thick granite as we do here. The idea that someone would take on a debt that possibly spans decades over something that's not literally rock-solid is mind-boggling to me.
So, yeah, it might be entirely cultural. But that's still one thing on which I'll never give an inch.
Great. That was my original point. That housing construction depends on local considerations.
So why don't you stop judging the housing where I live? You've insultingly called our houses "paper" and a "scam". And now you're swearing.
I'm not judging housing in your country, but you're judging mine. I'm not asking you to "give an inch" on where you want to live, but you're the one saying Americans are making bad decisions in how they build.
Why don't you show a little empathy and stop?
Seriously, why all this judgment?
Oh hey, like America.
Not everyone. In the more rural areas there are a lot of farm houses build very solidly.
These are usually build according to traditional techniques stemming from the European guilds of carpenters and masons.
because from my experience, nearly all houses in my country have the same kind of layout. Having lived in both pre and post ww2 housing. The major differences seem to be:
- new, post ww2 houses have larger kitchens - old, pre ww2 houses seem to have a smaller living room and a "front room" (with load bearing walls in between). Modern houses have these rooms combined into a larger, single living room. - the bathroom in post world war 2 houses are considerably larger.
Also, what is the deal with many american houses having multiple bathrooms with showers/baths in them?
Additionally, Americans are fairly fond of tearing down existing structures to rebuild which is harder to do with brick.
Thirdly, wood is an abundant resource in the US.
I don't believe that overall US tax rates are the same as Western Europe, sorry, especially as he seems to add in every line item that he can find (excise tax, etc.) Aside from the fact that European income tax rates are consistently described as significantly higher- there's a 20-25% VAT to consider, yes? To be fair if he lives in California I can see how it's approaching European rates. I also do agree we get less for what we pay for.
The US does have a huge problem with most of the best jobs & human capital being concentrated in a very small number of cities, and I agree that this does contribute to high rent/real estate prices. (And some people are determined to maintain this system because of some handwavey idea that this is a desirable state of affairs). But you can definitely have a quality lifestyle in a tier 2 US city with a professional career, and I'd suggest everyone- immigrant or native- who thinks the Bay Area/LA/NYC/Seattle/Boston/DC are too expensive to move. You don't have to live in an area where the average house price is $1-2 million.
Suburbia is dreadful and has been criticized in the US for decades & decades now, but it is definitely not true that the vast majority of Americans live in a suburb. I share his desire for walkable, medium-density cities.
The US legal system is also extremely bad/overly punitive, but I philosophically disagree with whatever he's trying to say that judges or prosecutors should have more discretion in the interests of a higher ideal of 'justice'. Way too much to fit into an HN comment, but rule of law societies should be procedural/formal/rigid- when we give government functionaries broad discretion to use their subjective 'judgement', they're just or more likely to abuse it and be unfair, racist, even more punitive, etc. (This is in no way a defense of how over-criminalized the US is, but the solution is to change the laws- not gives judges & prosecutors more arbitrary, discretionary power and hope that they choose to be nicer with it)
As the author, it’s not for me to say whether I hit the spot on “entertaining and informative, but a bit of an exaggerator” for everyone, but I can tell you that’s what I was going for in both articles you read. So, thank you — I think? :)
In view of the foregoing:
1. I agree that overall US tax burden is lower than Western European tax burden; my intended point wasn’t at all that it’s equal or higher, merely that a) it’s not _so_ much lower, an order of magnitude lower, or anything like that, and more importantly, that b) given what difference does exist, the much larger difference in government services and social safety net does not correspond.
I think this point could have been easily lost had I spent time on a more comprehensive of tax rates, or belaboured tirelessly that US tax rates are, in the end, somewhat lower.
2. I don’t think I lavished excessive attention on the living cost structure of major cities. The point was instead to explain to hypothetical immigrants where a lot of Americans’ money goes, no matter where they live, including in most tracts of “Middle America”, “flyover country”, “Omaha”, whatever you want to call it.
I live in Augusta, GA myself nowadays (which, for all intents and purposes, approximates a kind of “Omaha”), having lived in Atlanta for ten years and in Athens, GA for a good chunk of my adolescence and adulthood. Much of what I said in the article still applies, I think—the criticism of vacuous suburban layout more so.
I don’t know quantitatively whether “most Americans live in a suburb”, but I would readily and decisively say, on the strength of extensive experience living in and travelling around the US my whole life, that “most places in America conform to suburban layout”. They really do. Some Americans seem to want to quibble with the idea that Irving, TX, or Alpharetta, GA, or Bethesda or whatever are “suburban”, but in terms of the critical lens here, they absolutely all are. The places I have been to in the US that don’t conform to the Standard Suburban Layout are exceptionally few—so few that they can be individually enumerated—and the overwhelming preponderance of US “municipalities” and “communities” do.
3. The procedural emphasis of American jurisprudence definitely corrects for a lot of deficits in the venal systems that preceded it, and there are certainly two sides to this argument.
As it relates to the suburbs, honestly, you've probably seen more of the US than I have so you're likely correct. I personally grew up in a rural setting here, so I spent the afternoon thinking about how that relates or doesn't relate to what I guess suburban living is like (we were more isolated but I don't recall feeling lonely, parents would take us over to a friend's house for the day to hang out, etc.) But I was considering the sociology of rural, suburban or urban living, not sure I have any grand proclamations yet
Is this widely considered the case? I work for a big ol tech company and I've been on teams where I am literally the only natural born U.S. citizen. I know I'm working in a somewhat unique case but is it so different elsewhere?
Other systems have their cons too, and a lottery is really quite reasonable.
It's definitely an interesting phenomenon. I work at a large tech company, and within my team of ~70 people, I think there is maybe one other person beside myself who was born in the U.S.
My suspicion is that this is mainly due to the fact that U.S. culture no longer prioritizes STEM the way it does pop culture and entertainment, and so I don't really have any sympathy for the apparent inability of people born in the U.S. to compete with those from other countries who (at least from my perspective) appear to study and work much harder.
How typical is this? It doesn't match my Canadian large public university experience, but maybe that's because I took clinical/tech programs? Or that our class sizes can be bigger? What would one prefer, classes of 300 with a full professor, or 30 with a grad student?
On the topic of large class sizes, there is definitely room for improvement in the US system; being at a poorly-funded mid-tier public university, we had several courses that were so large that there were overflow rooms with a camera pointing to the main lecturer in the main room, and these were lecture halls that could easily hold 400.
I guess that given the breadth of possible options when it comes to American universities this is one area where YMMV.
For example, the introductory engineering classes you typically take in your first year are large 300+ classes taught by professors with lectures 2-3 times a week. Additionally, TAs (typically grad students) would hold smaller sessions for those classes with maybe 30 students each.
Once you move into more specialized classes the size goes down significantly and are all taught by professors.
(Saying this as an American)
Articles like these are great for giving you a taste of what things are like in other countries, and making you see that your way isn't the only way things can be. Travel does that too, and in a much more hands-on manner.
One of the things that made an impression on me on a work trip to the US was that I was talking to a colleague and she said something about her not being well in her mental health the previous year, and then immediately apologized to me for "burdening me with her problems".
I was speechless at (and still don't fully understand) the cultural factors that lead people to apologize for mentioning a detail of their personal life to a coworker, but it seems to me that life must be much more lonely like that.
Is the author exaggerating, or is this actually a thing in other countries? I'd expect my immediate family and close friends to know I was going in for a scan and to care about the outcome, maybe even wait by the phone for results if they have the time. But to take off work and physically show up in the waiting room just for moral support? What planet is that? I mean sure even Americans can do that for major surgeries/births/etc, at least for those there's some amount of physical care required during the recovery that people can help with. But moral support for an MRI?
I actually would feel bad being the center of that much attention. I guess Americans moralize "being useful" more than other countries, or just have a different conception of what "useful" means. Just because I might have cancer doesn't mean anyone else's time is less valuable than it was yesterday, or that I'm some charity case (Is being a "charity case" an Americanism I'm unaware of?). Immediate family and very close friends have some obligation of moral support, but beyond that it's like how a cat grooming another cat is the dominant cat. It's generally seen as less genuine, and even if it is genuine it's seen as putting unnecessary burdens on people who don't have a pre-existing social obligation to said burdens.
It's like the US was devised in a way completely contrary to the way in which we evolved.
In the US, if you don't figure it out on your own and get rich, people just view you as scum and don't care whatsoever. This is why we have psychopaths shooting up concerts, a receding youthful male population, increased suicide rates in general, and people just tuning out of society. There is no defined purpose. You just have to make it. Which is incredibly hard in an economy devised full of choices, every which way preys upon your financial naivety.
The US is a system of the lucky being raised right.
Infact, even in USA, my Indian friends showed up to the hospital when I dislocated my pinky finger.
None of this is true in the highly-paid and highly-privileged world of elite tech workers in America, where the better employers emphasise flexibility, well-being, and taking care of your loved ones.
In the US, social and institutional priorities are such that nobody can time off for that kind of thing anyway, and everybody’s too spread out to be much within the blast radius or overall locus of an event like that. It’s just different in an intangible way that’s hard to describe—I tried my best in the article.
I have lived in Indiana, Texas and Georgia (three different cities and towns in GA), and have visited a lot of other places in the country, of course, some of them extensively.
I've lived abroad, and then I have a large number of friends from abroad, so I understand most of these things to some degree. But reading your article just made me realize, these are the very things that I am so frustrated by in my own country, and yet when I talk to my family and friends they mostly just look at me like I'm weird and shrug me off.
I think it's because (as another reply pointed out), they have never seen anything different and can't imagine that it doesn't have to be this way.
There are many great and wonderful things about America and Americans, but I think our biggest single downfall is that our national pride has somehow mutated into what I would call a national narcissism. So many Americans deeply believe that we are the absolute best at everything. I've listened to family members crushed by medical bills say, "Well, at least we're in America where doctors can treat things like this, we're so fortunate here." I point out that people in other countries pay a fraction what we do for the same care, and they just... space out and cannot process what I'm saying.
So, anyway, it was just a really cathartic read for me. You expressed these ideas so cogently and concisely, I wish I could have done the same.
Last thing, one the note of the built environment, if you're interested in that sort of thing, I help run an organization called Strong Towns (strongtowns.org) which is largely aimed at helping Americans understand the flaws in the suburban model (namely that over the long-term it is an unproductive money pit that is eroding our national wealth). You might find you fit in well with the Strong Towns movement :)
Thanks for writing and sharing this piece!
Well that’s just false. About ~40% of U.S. homes are mortgage-free.[1] And it is my understanding that outside of select states, properties are generally fairly cheap compared to income, so even if someone’s paying a 30-year mortgage chances are good it’s not a “large proportion of income”.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-17/close-to-...
That said, the stats are likely inflated due to the fact that people aren't able to buy a house post-education like with the previous generation. They're stuck paying high rent prices with dead-end jobs.
Me: That’s just false.
If you earn 10x while having to pay 20% of that as rent or mortgage, you do still end up with 8x. Not to mention non-home owners are also prevalent in most of the developing world.
Again, I agree the author shouldn't have said "almost all" Americans, but it's still a silly nitpick in context to the rest of the article. Rent/Mortgage is just a slice of the pie of costs that one may have to pay in decentralized America.
Where does that "assuredly" come from? If you just immigrated (non-investment), probably not. If you're like my immigrant relatives who immigrated 20 years ago -- just run-of-mill Silicon Valley electrical engineers, they have been mortgage-free for a long time, and they live right next to 1 Infinite Loop where cost of living is pretty damn high.
This article is overall fairly objective but the hardships described in the housing section seem quite exaggerated, from "Armenians are sometimes under the impression that lots of Americans own houses, too. This is a misapprehension; ..." onward. (For one thing, unless I'm terribly mistaken, those who do own houses generally own better houses than Armenian apartments; same for those who financed houses.)
To be fair, I can understand the exaggeration, as this article targets those who are "righteously indignant about stingy relatives in the US". (Which btw I don't understand -- why are rich relatives obligated to help the poor? I guess it's a cultural thing.)
Is this sarcasm, or do you genuinely not see how exceptional that is?
Yes, but not ex-USSR states. For them, three quarters of households having to pay for their housing is an extremely high proportion. You could argue that “most” would be a better description than “almost all”, but it doesn’t make the article grossly misleading.
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say."
Not cool to make these judgments about people. You're not her physician and don't have access to her medical records.
Also, you should not be revealing such private information about your tennant, given that your HN account is linked to your real identity.
I think the real issue here is some find the fact inconvenient that someone with asthma can be on full, never-working-again disability in the USA. This is a truth, and I haven't passed any judgement on whether it's good or bad. It simply is a fact that people such as this exist and live off society's tax dollars. You can pass your own judgement, I have no comment on whether it's positive or negative.
This depends on the severity of the asthma and other factors. As I said, you don't know this person's medical history or the details of all the conditions they may have. I think it's tasteless to suggest that someone who most likely has quite a serious medical condition has "lucked out".
>I haven't passed any judgement on whether it's good or bad.
Ha!
Currently ~67% of the population owns or lives with someone that owns their home, and 30% of those homes are mortgage free. So, ~80% of the population has a mortgage or pays rent, which IMO fit’s almost all just fine.
PS: Many people are paying rent or have a mortgage while owning a home, but that’s less of a problem.
Not anymore ;_;
> I don’t know who seeded this meme that Americans pay low taxes.
Great question! It comes up all the time in conversations with my friends/family back home (France). They all have it in their head that I must pay 10% in taxes or something, but it’s really roughly the same when you scale for income differences etc. In fact depending on how you model it, I could argue that I proportionally pay more taxes than I would in France at a similar career level.
I can’t see a lot of right wingers in the US suggesting we have low taxes. Conservative talking points frequently address the desire to lower tax rates in the US because they claim they’re too high as it is.
“The US wastes massive amounts of resources for very poor levels of service, and nobody has any idea how to fix it” isn’t as nice of a sound byte.
In some countries, taxes are high, and you get good public services and a comprehensive social safety net (most of Europe).
The US is exceptional in having high taxes and mediocre (at best) public services (plus a huge army and health care for the elderly - at least something).
The US floats around the mid 20% range, while Europe is mid-30% up to 50% (Sweden).[1]
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_reven...
EDIT to add: Though to understand some points (eg that despite widespread poverty, nearly every household owns an apartment or house), living in a CIS (ex USSR) state would help.
Erdogan, however, should steer clear of Armenians IMO.
While you do have to pay for healthcare, education, etc. I’m not sure it actually ends up costing more when considering the increased amount of income. Theoretically the best plan would be to work in the US then retire/send your kids to school in Europe.
For better or worse, the reality is that many of the problems listed in the link become manageable if you have money. As I often tell taxi drivers, America is great if you can and want to make a lot of money. For an average person, the quality of life is likely better in Europe.
Then again, I'm Greek. I don't think I know a single person who emigrated (and I know a lot of those) who doesn't dream of coming back at some point. I guess you can never really stop wanting the things you grew up with.
"Most professional occupations"? I don't buy this at all.
For the vast majority of jobs, while there is no "upper limit" etched into law, incomes above a certain point probabilistic impossibilities. Most jobs' incomes are distributed within some band with tight standard deviations. A retail worker will statistically never make $200K. A typical vanilla office worker won't make $1M. Anyone who does is a 5-10 standard deviation outlier. The bands are wider maybe for lawyers, doctors, software engineers, but their salaries are not unlimited. I've never heard of a software engineer that makes $10M/yr. Maybe there are one or two in the world?
For people who own their own businesses, their income is still limited by how many sales they can make, how many employees they can hire to grow, and how much time in the day they can put into the job. Still not "no upper limit".
There are vanishingly few classes of jobs with virtually no upward limit, like CEOs of mega-corporation and Wall Street traders.
It was full of history, stories about the Armenian immigrant experience, and a look at the older and younger generation in LA:
https://www.pbs.org/video/los-angeles-gzlrby/
https://la.eater.com/maps/los-angeles-armenian-restaurants-f...
There's no easy or accidental way for an independent garage owner to be regularly keeping communally-drinkable liquids at > 82-degrees Celsius.
Apparently, the real lesson for Armenians is that American corporations and industry tend to diversify corruption at a level invisible to those used only to corruption at the direct human-to-human level.
Without money I think unto the future of one’s children. In the opposite direction, the degree to which you have money is the degree to which you can be morally effective in your community. The very poor and the very rich, IMO, have a different slew of interesting moral choices.
This question itself is quintesentially American. Here in Poland, I don't hear ANYONE EVER talking about wanting success. I think people here just want contentment and some sort of balance.
Yes, a certain measure of wealth is required to find happiness. Without basic needs being met, it is hard to find much more than misery.
Of course, most people want more money than they have, but different cultures place a higher emphasis on the acquisition of money than others. And studies have shown that beyond a certain point, additional money adds very little incremental happiness.
On the other hand, living in a culture that places high worth on money has significant side effects, such as people who have sufficient means spending much of their time, energy and worry on things that really don’t give them the happiness they are looking for, to the detriment of things that do (relationships, hobbies, etc.).
I immigrated from New Zealand to America. It's interesting being in the US and hearing people exalt New Zealand. Same thing, some pros, some cons.
Pros: pretty, relatively relaxed lifestyle, much lower pressure than the US, minimal gun violence, healthier attitudes towards childrearing, good public healthcare, relatively good education systems, (mostly) competent government.
Cons: low wage economy, distant from everywhere, overall ambition of people is low, high taxes (top tax rate isn't crazy high, but kicks in very early)
Note, when I talk about 'the US' I'm talking about SF / LA / NYC type cities. I don't have any intention of living in small town USA.
I chuckle a bit when I hear people say how great my home country is and how they wish they could move there from the US.
This nice gross oversimplification is how, maybe, it was envisioned in the 1960s when we should have fixed it, but bears no resemblance to how it actually works today.
The link between long commutes and depression has already been shown[1].
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221414051...
Typically one tries to understand before critiquing but the author has clearly not bothered to do so. Their description of American life in their short amount of time here is so vastly different than my lifetime of experience here.
Would be great if you could also share some detailed thoughts on why you think the American way of life is better.
I cannot add much to it but the one thing that separates America from the rest of the world is that American legal system is truly a "legal system" and not a "justice system". There is just no concept of humanity or spirit of the law.
Which leads to interesting corner cases in everything and pretty much every person I know is trapped in some or the other legal trap. It's just stifling. Even our property is always at risk of being taken away.
Sometimes it is just so refreshing to go to recently developed countries or even developing countries and just smell the freedom in the air. The freedom comes from a backing of some form of justice.
Can you give an example of the American "legal system" vs this "justice system" in another country?
"Legal system" is about the letter of the law. Which means that written law has to be precise in dictating exact steps. Failure to adhere to those steps is automatically non-abiding.
"Justice system" is about the spirit of the law. Which means that written law is a guideline for judges to use, often strictly. However, judges have room and freedom to make decisions based on individual cases and circumstances.
A simple example is alimony. In most states in the US, the spouse making more income the last year is supposed to maintain alimony payments to the spouse with lesser income, often for an unduly long duration. This is letter of the law.
In this letter of the law, it missed circumstances that led to one spouse having higher income. An example is, maybe one spouse was a student with paltry income last year. If they get divorced now, letter of law dictates that the current spouse making higher income pays alimony. But maybe in 2 years from the divorce the student graduates and earns $300k a year because they were studying neuroscience. This is not entertained in letter of the law (unless the law is changed with specific handling of all such cases, which is infinite)
No exceptions and circumstances are entertained and following letter of the law yields just one kind of result. This often leads to patchwork laws where amendments are appended constantly trying to cover every corner case as an after thought.
In a justice system, the judge takes circumstances into account. For instance, in the above example, the judge could allow only 2 years of alimony payment. An example of this is in Singapore. Try to read it with not a letter-of-the-law eyes and you'll see that the Judge has the ability to make independent decisions: https://blog.moneysmart.sg/family/divorce-ex-wife-money/
No country has a perfect justice system but the difference in approach defines how the society will ultimately be like to live in.