Clues to Covid-19 coronavirus’s vulnerability emerge from antibody against SARS
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Oh.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/04/03/promising-use...
"Hey these SARS-1 antibodies 'almost' work"
Meanwhile there's literally a ton of antibodies out there that work well.
>Labs at Scripps Research and throughout the world are currently seeking antibodies, via blood donations, from people who have recovered from COVID-19 for further studies along these lines.
Antibodies to this influenza HA trimeric interface epitope [that we studied before SARS-nCov-2 came along] do not exhibit in vitro neutralization activity but can confer in vivo protection. Similarly, antibodies to another conserved epitope that partially overlaps with the influenza HA trimeric interface also are non-neutralizing in vitro, but protective in vivo (26). Examples of antibodies that do not have in vitro neutralization activity but confer in vivo protection, have also been reported for influenza virus (27), herpesvirus (28), cytomegalovirus (29), alphavirus (30), and dengue virus (31). Therefore, although CR3022 does not neutralize SARS-CoV-2 in vitro, it is possible that this epitope can confer in vivo protection.
So the lack of in vitro neutralisation isn't a showstopper.
Still, that bit reads like reaching to me. We shouldn't expect this antibody to be that useful, although we can hope.
Moreover, i suspect we shouldn't think about manufactured antibodies as a treatment for COVID-19 at all, as i doubt we have the manufacturing capacity for biologicals to use them against a pandemic on this scale.
Rather, i think this points towards this part of the virus being a good target for vaccines. If you can make a nice little edited version of that epitope (the SARS-nCov-2 version), you might be able to use it to make a vaccine which raise neutralising antibodies.
[0] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/04/02/scie...
https://sfist.com/2020/04/03/san-francisco-doctor-featured-i...
Potential Mechanims of Age Related Severity Of COVID-19 Infection: Implications for Development of Vaccines, Convalescent Serum, and Antibody Therapies https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340005309_Potential...
The back fo the antibody (Fc region) to COVID needs to be conjugated with an activating factor.
This is what's done when humanizing antibodies too.
The extra infection potential is when the virus or bacteria can survive or thrive inside macrophages or monocytes, which react to opsonized particles, such as with antibodies.
You can make IgA or IgM instead to prevent this mechanism. They work by polymerization to bind whatever they attach to. Former is typically not activating the rest of immune system, while IgM would activate everything strongly perhaps inducing your own production.
Monoclonal antibodies, or mAb are made usually by fusing a right B cell or splicing a gene sequence for the right light chains (V, D) into a leukemic cancer cell line producing a so called hybridoma. Those cells are damaged in such a way as to produce tons of antibodies and are immortal.
By using a different starter cell line you can get different antibody classes. Also by providing a different interleukin stimulus to the cells.
Typically IgG is made because it's easiest, but there are options. See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00221...
Here's a helpful blog post: https://www.tebu-bio.com/blog/2018/11/13/monoclonal-antibodi...
That said it would be fantastic in that it could provide some immunity protection for a while why the antibodies are active in your body allowing health care workers to be safer. Might also be very helpful in creating firewalls in institutions like old folks homes or hospitals.
I find it fascinating how the body is able to adapt to new entrants and the immune system figures out how to uniquely bind to the virus - but seemingly based on the article only when it changes into an active infection mode and exposes a certain part. Potentially ignoring it unless it’s an active threat to the body.
The problem here is the mediocre quality of evidence. Mostly limited sizes, but also lacking randomization.
Also rabies, tetanus and hepatitis B and C sera are available. Those have high quality evidence for working.
Still better than nothing and in extreme situations, it would give your body more time to produce an adaptive response.
Now, before you object: it's not always perfectly balanced like this. Sometimes the prey does go extinct.
You're talking about a virus, you know... an inert molecule.
(technically, the self-replication need also admit mutations into the replication process for natural selection to apply. viruses do mutate so, they qualify)
It is something like: if something has high odds to exist, given enough time to possibly exist, it will exist.
So an inert protein coming into existence? Sure. Better odds to be replicated? Then it'll happen. We ascribe agency or will to survive. Those probably help the odds in a lot of cases. But the concept is broader than that.
Also how likely is that COVID-19 will mutate like influenza and become a seasonal deadly killer ?
[1] https://www.upmc.com/media/news/040220-falo-gambotto-sars-co...
They are produced in various biological systems, with nature doing the synthesis. As far as I understand you can scale that up reasonably well with some effort.
Indeed, I'm not sure it's out-of-scope for 2020-era technology.
Apparently it's grown quite a bit since I've spoken to my friend. When we last checked in, it was a little startup. Now, it's a $2.4 billion dollar operation. I guess my friend is probably worth a few hundred million right now.
It has value, but there are usually better treatments available that more broadly fight a variety of viruses and don't need to be so specifically customized as an antibody.
However, right now we have humans synthesizing large amounts of antibodies that are proven to work (because the humans creating them survived and cleared the virus). It may ultimately be faster to isolate antibodies from the serum and engineer cell cultures (through adding DNA to them, "recombinant DNA") to create more of those antibodies, resulting in much stronger synthesis of a single antibody (so-called "monoclonal antibody drugs").
It's nearly certain that both of these are happening many times over around the world right now. All of the science here was already in lab use the first time I worked in a bio lab in 2003, and nowadays we have methods that didn't exist then (such as CRISPR for DNA manipulation and fast sequencing of both nucleic acids and proteins).
Any materials you can recommend for complete novices in industrial biology processes?
Is it unusually difficult for this coronavirus? eg I've heard it's unusually large.
Do people actually still do it this way? I would have thought that you would use more targeted approaches where you use an antigen to fish for cells of interest before culturing. There are a few such techniques described here:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2019.0169...
Naively, i would have thought you could do something with affinity columns or magnetic beads, too - coat beads with antigen, then use those to extract B cells expressing a matching surface immunoglobulin.
The antigen is also a protein, I assume the DNA sequence for it is well known. Right?
How far are we in terms of tech to print custom proteins from arbitrary DNA sequences?
Is understanding protein folding and protein to protein interaction the holy grail of making massive improvements in molecular biology? What are the big unsolved problems?
Like if we know the virus’s DNA and it’s 3D protein architecture, we can solve for antigen proteins in a computer that outputs possible DNA sequences and we can manufacture them the next day in a protein printer. How far away are we to that future?
Yes
"The antigen is also a protein, I assume the DNA sequence for it is well known. Right?"
Yes
"How far are we in terms of tech to print custom proteins from arbitrary DNA sequences?"
Generally that is something a first year graduate student can accomplish.
"Is understanding protein folding and protein to protein interaction the holy grail of making massive improvements in molecular biology? What are the big unsolved problems?"
There are too many unsolved problems to count. There have been great advances lately in de novo prediction of protein folding and to a lesser extent protein:protein interactions. But even if you had perfect knowledge of all that, you still can't just like design the perfect vaccine.
"Like if we know the virus’s DNA and it’s 3D protein architecture, we can solve for antigen proteins in a computer that outputs possible DNA sequences and we can manufacture them the next day in a protein printer. How far away are we to that future?"
We (the world) accomplished that within a couple of weeks of identifying the COVID virus.
Sounds like a manual software testing. What are the chances of automating entire process? Whenever I see bio/chemists working it seems very manual job. I assume someone already tried it, but perhaps only for specific area rather than making universal robot?