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Florida, only state w/5000+ cases that has not to issued 'stay-at-home'

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He finally issued it today but it doesn't take effect until Friday morning. Exponential growth in Florida is already well under way, though.

'The previous guidance from the White House regarding an easing back into normal life by Easter “isn’t going to happen,” DeSantis said.'

Of course it isn't. It was a lie.

Florida "stay at home" order was issued today [1]. NY Times is also tracking states with and without stay at home orders [2].

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-gover...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay...

Church / Religious gatherings are exempted, which is, insane.

In SF, I think all religious services have moved to Zoom-style video format with very positive feedback from what I am hearing.

Holy crap, I had to look this up because I didn't believe it. "Religious services" are actually the first defined type of "essential activities"...and Texas' governor just did the same. Wow, this is incredibly foolish.

Any stay-at-home order which stopped religious services would be found in violation of the US Constitution's first amendment. It's possible a judge would throw out the whole stay-at-home order. To have a stay-at-home order that survives in court, exempting religious services is necessary.

I am just not certain that this is true. The 1A also protects protests- am I allowed to organize gatherings of 10+ people for the purpose of a protest? I believe not. The 1A is comprehensive; it is not all-powerful.

Can't shout fire in a crowded theater. And no particular religion is being singled out.

My church in NY did this starting 3/15. If the Catholic church is ahead of the curve, you know you're behind!

Worst are the bowls of holy water which everyone touches.

That is essentially not a stay-at-home order.

We (Oklahoma) do not have a state-wide order. I'm not sure why not because most of our larger cities do. I guess they have to do what they have to do, but seems like city-wide orders would be less effective since you can't bar people from surrounding small towns.

It’s less needed in towns.

The amount of contact between people increases in cities, which makes a huge difference in viral load and how quickly pandemic’s spread. This is why NYC has 1/4th of all US cases even with an early stay at home order.

I guess we needed a control group.

You have sweden for that.

Interestingly, the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation [1] out of UW is still predicting Florida will not run out of hospital beds, unlike many other states. I don't know what to do with this data, but I was surprised given the concern in the media for the state due to the older population and lack of stay-at-home order until now.

[1] https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

And now (a day later) the projection is that Florida will be short by 917 ICU beds. And this will keep changing. As they say in http://www.healthdata.org/covid/updates "Our model’s increase in nationwide deaths since the March 31 release is primarily driven by increasing death tolls in states that previously had very few COVID-19 deaths. States with more COVID-19 deaths, such as New York and Washington, show far less fluctuation across daily updates." Basically, in states with little testing and if they are in the start of the cycle, the data is very unreliable.

   See their update for Alabama. In a single day, with newer data, the death projection went up by 540%

"Notably, fitting on new data released on March 31, the cumulative COVID-19 death estimates for Alabama increased to 7,334 (1,130 to 17,040), an estimate that is 6,161 deaths higher than previous estimates."

Florida governor: We'll take state residents only from Zaandam cruise ship https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/us/holland-america-zaandam-cr...

I think this is disgusting and humiliating.

Florida has tons of hospital capacity.

Florida has 5k ICU beds and 5 million Floridians over 65. They do not have enough hospital capacity for this event.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article24146440...

I'd be surprised if linear growth models can magically support exponential growth usage without a lot of suffering.

The data is definitely not update, in my state it looks like the data being shown is a few weeks old and the stay at home order isn't displayed either.

Covid-19 kills some people quite quickly, and it hospitalises some people for a long time.

Florida has more of the first group and fewer of the second group.

The actual stay-at-home order issued today and other FL executive orders (pdf) can be found at https://www.flgov.com/2020-executive-orders/ .

#91 (https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-9...) is the stay-at-home order, and #89 (https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/orders/2020/EO_20-8...) has more details of what is "essential" and not in this context.

Yes, they have: https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/01/florida-gov-...

You can even just quote the linked article: UPDATE: Apr. 1, 1:50 p.m. EST — Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced on Wednesday afternoon that he would sign an executive order mandating residents to stay at home for 30 days. The order will say that residents may only go out for essential activities.

That update was posted after I posted my comment, hence the link. Kind of hard to quote something that doesn't exist yet. Thanks for the incredibly helpful post though.

Florida has a population with 20% over 65, compare that to New York with 14% in the same age group. This group is most vulnerable to the virus.

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