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Meanwhile, apple doesn't accept my app because they claim the UI sucks

Apple didn't review or accept Zoom. It's not on the App Store.

Yeah, as much as I don't like the locked down nature of Apple devices/OS/software, this case with Zoom being able to do this stuff, is an argument for the locked down garden.

Isn't this the exact opposite? Zoom didn't bother to go get accepted into high requirement locked down garden, instead they choose to distribute the binaries on their own without having to deal with pesky rules about unsigned scripts.

Well, if it was only possible to install apps via the App Store (Apples wet dream, but they'll lose a ton of users), then Zoom wouldn't be able to distribute their app any other way and forced to follow the guidelines.

Again, I'm playing devils advocate for a pro-walled-garden opinion me myself don't believe in, so don't take my opinion too seriously.

It's not an either/or. You can simultaneously have more trust in apps coming from the walled garden and cherry-pick with greater care the select number of potent applications that come from outside of it and are therefore harder to trust, precisely because they may be able to do more than what's allowed within the walled garden.

>Again, I'm playing devils advocate for a pro-walled-garden opinion me myself don't believe in, so don't take my opinion too seriously.

Pure cynicism on my part by default, so it's all good, mate.

But they only do this stuff to make their software seem fast and easy to install for the non-technical users because of the lock down restrictions...

App Store, Gatekeeper, etc are now working against what they were supposed to solve and encouraging worse developer behavior.

Really the best solution would be tackling the reasons why Zoom are doing this in the first place. Like how they provided a gentler version of Sandboxing to work around pro creative apps being basically unusable in the first versions.

The more you lock it down the more bad behavior you'll encourage from less ethical developers.

Not sure I buy this reasoning. It's like having rules that you can't kill people at your house, so people go outside and do it. Ok if you let people kill inside your house they'll just kill there too AND outside.

Locking stuff down is the best thing we can do to protect non-technical users barring a complete re-design of operating systems from scratch with a renewed focus on security.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/zoom-cloud-meetings/id54650530...

Yes it is.

Not on the Mac App Store

Zoom cloud meetings does seem to be on the App Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/zoom-cloud-meetings/id54650530...

Are you talking about something else or am I misunderstanding here?

That's the iOS version. All the security issues are on the macOS version (that's not on the Mac App Store and it's not sandboxed)

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