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The Ungainly History of Nascar’s Wing Era

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The author seems to think the motivation was drag reduction, while I had heard the issue was one of countering undesirable lift, which is bad for tire traction. If these things did reduce drag, could someone explain how they achieved this?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_(car) a spoiler can reduce drag by changing the airflow around the car and reducing turbulence. A wing, like what the Daytona and the Superbird have is mostly for downforce to get more traction. But it can also help straightening the airflow after the car.

The turbulence after cars is one of the main reasons specially hatchbacks gets so dirty in the rear end and this turbulence create a drag on the car.

The article is of course wrong when not calling Charger Daytona and Plymouth Superbird for good looking, they are art and some of the best looking cars coming from America.

They are also 2 of the most expensive and sought after Mopar vehicles in existence. There is no doubt they where not popular at the time, many Americans thought they looked too European and did not reflect the muscle car image of the era. Also Mopar only built enough production ones to qualify as a stock car. IIRC in the range of 2000 each I think the Daytona may have been a little higher IIRC.

So NASCAR runs on enough of a variety of tracks that there are (very, very generally) three modes of running:

1) Reduce drag to the bare minimum. The cars can still grip, even when trimmed out all the way (Daytona, Talladega)

2) Downforce is king! I don't care if I'm 10MPH slower on the end of the straight if my mid-corner speed is 15 MPH higher (pretty much all "intermediate" (1-2 mile) tracks (this is the vast majority of tracks)

3) Aerodynamics are irrelevant (Short tracks like Bristol and Martinsville)

So there's not just one goal a NASCAR builder is optimizing for. You generally have to make compromises to win a championship.

One other thing to remember is the aero cars come out right after NASCAR ended much of their short track program. In that era more short tracks were run than superspeedways.

I thought this was going to be about NASCAR's winged COT phase, which truly WAS awful.

Interesting, quasi-related note: the read spoiler (not wing) in today's cars is so high at some tracks that they have to make the top few inches out of clear plexiglass so that the drivers can still see behind them with the rear view mirror.

The "we ban everything that helps someone win" habits of NASCAR and F1 are what make them incredibly boring to watch. I frankly don't see any difference between them and their e-sport counterparts.

The same team has won the last 6 F1 championships, clearly not everything that helps them win is being banned.

It's down to monies. There's no hard limit on spending (yet) so larger teams can and do invest more. On top of that smaller teams have to buy some of the components from the larger ones and integrate those into their designs. This is bound to be less effective than doing integrated, end to end design like Mercedes does.

Ferrari have a historical place in the sport, and have oversized power. They are also a racing company that builds luxury sports road cars to fund their racing ambitions (every other car company is a road car company that uses F1 as marketing).

Yet, they have been shooting themselves in the foot for the last few years, even though on paper their cars were faster than Mercedes'.

It's not just about money, though money is the biggest factor. It's about having a good organization, good decision making, and good DRIVERS.

I believe they are changing that with the new cars, there will be a limit to how much teams can spend on the car and r&d.

What's even more boring is a race of hundreds of laps that is decided in the first 10 minutes.

A race where one driver is 30 seconds ahead of the rest is even more boring.

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