> firebase at google is doing extremely well
Source?
It's certainly popular but everyone I know (me included) is running away from it asap.
Source?
It's certainly popular but everyone I know (me included) is running away from it asap.
Any particular complaints?
(I work on Compute Engine)
My new projects will all be on Azure because Microsoft has pivoted to a company with reliable investment in UI, developer-friendliness, and long-term support. Serving businesses has also been a core of their company from the beginning, whereas Google seems unwilling to provide the human support required and AWS is clearly at odds with Amazon's primary culture.
It does seem like the underlying products in GCP are very good, but they mostly seem to replicate other offerings from Azure and AWS.
I agree in general, but specific services can be a problem. New server images have broken my apps, waiting for AWS to update support for languages or RDBMS can be painful, documentation is generally confusing (mostly because there are 10 ways to do every simple thing), and I bump into bugs regularly.
I now run a large application mostly built in GCP and also now replicated in Azure for various compliance reasons.
So although my experience with the 3 clouds is not equal, I've been exposed to them all, and actually massively prefer GCP for the UIs and CLI tools.
AWS stll has better support by third party tools, and Azure is lagging behind everything.
I'm generally fond of our console, particularly the tools that show both the API and CLI invocations for most UI activities. On the other hand, I work on core virtualization, so the things I want to express tend to be very simple ("make me a giant VM", "make me a gianter VM", etc. :)
The docs are always a work in progress -- anything you can recall trying to do with GCP that was particularly inscrutable (can't fix everything in one go, but one fix at a time is better than nothing :)
- Most frustrating are the outages we have no control over. It seems like every other day, the server running our firebase instance mysteriously disappears from the internet. We can ping `my-app.fibaseio.com` but receive no events from it. This lasts anywhere from 5 to 25 minutes. Usually there is no blip in the firebase status page. The main devs have given up trying to debug it.
- We are nearing the resource limits of the paid plan for a single realtime database. We're working on splitting our one database into a master and sharding what we can.
- The particular eventual consistency and transaction semantics require workarounds everywhere. If you want an atomic transaction, you have to perform it on some common parent, but you are also encouraged to keep your data model flat and normalize as much as possible. Our integration test suite is tiny and horrendously slow because we cannot rely on Firebase to be timely, so there are huge timeouts everywhere that regularly take ages. Every past attempt at tuning the timeouts to be shorter eventually causes spurious failures a week later.
- Unless your data closely models the kind of chat application Firebase was built around, you end up needing a real database eventually. Not just to perform real queries with joins and complex logic, but also to essentially maintain indices that anemic mobile clients can use because the firebase filtered query semantics are limited to a single key. Now you need some kind of daemon to shuffle data in and out of your real database. Unfortunately, your real database is missing tons of foreign key constraints because that's the easiest way to handle firebase's eventual consistency.
That's just my take a month after joining somewhere intimately coupled to firebase.
Well, now you have my interest! Is this a talent gap or fatigue in the organization? Sounds like a meaty challenge.
I'm joining as the second backend developer, so maybe while I'm still green and have the naive bravery, I will go give it another shot next time it happens. I don't know much about advanced networking, but we suspect there's some kind of partition happening frequently between our servers and our production firebase instance. Uncertain how to debug that and how to work around it. It usually affects all of our servers, which are located in a single data center. I suppose next time I will try to track down and inspect the socket being used by the firebase SDK, but I don't really know what to be looking for at that point.
Firebase lets you grow super easily at first but the bigger your project the more of a problem it becomes in terms of development.
The biggest problem is that databases are extremely inadequate for anything that goes beyond prototypes or very simple uses cases. There are no relations, very basic querying / filtering, no ACID, etc. your logic to interact with the databases becomes super tedious. Fauna is by far a much better serverless DB.
There is huge vendor lock in and their client libraries are huge. The JS library is like 200kB minified and gzipped. You can in principle use REST to interact with the backend but you lose most interesting features (realtime, sync, etc).
https://bundlephobia.com/result?p=firebase@7.12.0
Cloud Functions are extremely tedious to work with. Most of your functions cannot be tested locally and they take forever to upload. Sometimes even minutes. Sometimes deploy gets stuck and don't you dare cancel the upload otherwise it will take more time to be able to upload again. With Cloudflare Workers you can do all in local dev and deploy takes seconds. With Zeit Now you can also make all dev locally.
The Firebase Console is a huge piece of bloated JS made in Angular 1 IIRC. It's also very basic as far as functionality goes.
Firebase hosting is good. Nothing to complain but all other options are equally great (Netlify, Zeit, Cloudflare Workers Sites, etc).