Loss of sense of smell a marker for Covid-19 infection
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Edit: i looked back and it was the 16th of February
I am working from home and we already had a flight scheduled for the end of February, so even after the kid got better we didn't take her to the Kita to avoid getting anything else. Now, I still think that what we had was just a seasonal flu, but I really would like to get some test to remove all doubt.
While Anosmia is commonly caused by flu, the flu doesn’t commonly cause anosmia.
If anyone can find what percentage of people with flu/cold present with Anosmia as a symptom (without having a blocked nose), I would love to know,
It is awful - nothing has any "taste" (using quotes as we often confuse taste and smell. I could taste sweet/salty etc but this is a very small part of the overall sensory experience compared to smells)
I would eat blue cheese and raw garlic to try to get some kind of taste, because everything was insipid. So I would barely eat anything, unless I felt hungry. Then, I would mostly eat pasta, because at least the texture was nice. Only texture mattered.
Spices helped. Lots of them, put directly over the pasta. Meat felt like old bubblegum, something hard to chew and without any flavoring.
In my case, it took more than a month to heal. I believe my sense of smell was permanently altered because since then, I don't like anymore many things with a faint taste that I loved before.
Raw mozarella for example still tastes like chewing boiled spaghettis. Only the texture is different. I loved the aftertaste of mozarella before, but I can't find any taste to it anymore.
Are there standard anosmia tests? I'm wondering how to make this actionable in the most efficient way.
I am also wondering if, in general, our societies would benefit from a periodic self-quarantine, as a prophylactic measure.
I guess, if, after this pandemic is over -- we see fewer cases of H1N1 and other upper-respiratory transmittable viruses -- we could conclude that periodic, world-wide self quarantine should be written into laws of public health.
May be every 5 years or so, for 1.5 months stop all non-essential travel, work commute, public gatherings and so on.
Do not know if the above idea has any historical precedent, but, clearly our world has developed into very inter-connected, redundant, essentially unbreakable pathogen re-transmission network. So we need to respond to this.
As it turns out, lots of crazy leftist policies are actually good for the public health.
is an alternative to what I suggested earlier
> "... word wide self quarantine should be written into laws of public health. May be every 5 years or so, for 1.5 months stop all non-essential travel, work commute, public gatherings and so on...".
With regards to your note on >"... lots of crazy leftist policies .. ."
In my view, centralized control of public health, appears to be a bottleneck to rapid response (not just because of process structuring, but also because massive centralization of money appropriation mandate, becomes a mechanism for unstoppable corruption spread, and non-meritocracy based promotions).
I never heard that conservatives are against telecommuting...
If anything there is, probably, a conservative sentiment against massive urbanization and globalization of supply lines.
*IANA-person who knows about this subject.
Of course, that doesn't work when kids still go to school when sick, which they do. When I was a kid the school used to give awards to kids with perfect attendance. Now February break seems to be an annoyance for most parents and they find daycare alternatives, as well as sending marginal (or even outright sick!) children to school.
I was thinking that the above realization, could come as outcome of 'what could be done better' analysis, at the end of this pandemic.
However, this test has been called imprecise (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2500/ajra.2017.31.44...).
If the paper is true, one could do spot checks today to estimate the true IFR in every country tomorrow on a shoestring budget.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-a...
Depending on the results that might save trillions of dollars.
So, we need a data collection website?
There is no special treatment yet available for Covid, so whether or not your doctor knows you have it won't change how they treat you.
It helps you a lot once you've recovered after you test positive.
but I guess if you don't die it won't generate clicks and viral shares, so nobody care about your recovery. kthxby. just kidding. glad to know you are fine. just remember that recurring infections by variations is what killed young brave doctors. continue to take care.
I do not think however that COVID is sensationalized. If nothing is done, we would see 100ks - >1M deaths. That is traumatic for a society. Those numbers of course, would result from 100M+ people infected.
Not doubting you just never heard it before
Here's a news article about the Diamond Princess. There's an accompanying paper, but it might take me some time to find it. Another paper about the experience in Wuhan reported a similar figure.
edit:
https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/severity/diamond_crui...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20030593v...
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-connection-between-taste-a...
The loss was so complete that I couldn't smell household garbage, taste strong blue cheese or get anything from extremely spicy chilis except for the physical sensation - it was quite eery and very unlike the reduced senses you'd get with the common cold.
Other symptoms included an intermittent headache and nausea. Nothing else except for coughing very rarely and a fever that never topped 100.
Definitely not research but I've read several comments on /r/italy that were mentioning just that, i.e. loss of smell combined with loss of taste for some of the commenters in there or their friends/acquaintances (who also had other covid-related symptoms). I've first read this 3 or 4 or days ago, so it was not written as responses to articles like these (which have started showing up in the last two or so days).
It could be related to the fact that Spring is starting in the Northern Hemisphere, and thus, the body reacts to the increased amount of polen in the air.
I'm allergic, so it's normal for me to suffer those symptoms every Spring.
I could smell laundry detergent very faintly so I know I had not completely lost the sense. I also felt a pain in the back of my nose/top of head as if I had water go up it, so I assume something was irritating that part of my nose. A dry cough has started to take place only after the fever stopped and I noticed my breathing is a bit harder than before the virus took over.
Post-viral anosmia is one of the leading causes of loss of sense of smell in adults, accounting for up to 40% cases of anosmia. Viruses that give rise to the common cold are well known to cause post-infectious loss, and over 200 different viruses are known to cause upper respiratory tract infections. Previously described coronaviruses are thought to account for 10-15% cases. It is therefore perhaps no surprise that the novel COVID-19 virus would also cause anosmia in infected patients.
There is already good evidence from South Korea, China and Italy that significant numbers of patients with proven COVID-19 infection have developed anosmia/hyposmia. In Germany it is reported that more than 2 in 3 confirmed cases have anosmia. In South Korea, where testing has been more widespread, 30% of patients testing positive have had anosmia as their major presenting symptom in otherwise mild cases.
In addition, there have been a rapidly growing number of reports of a significant increase in the number of patients presenting with anosmia in the absence of other symptoms – this has been widely shared on medical discussion boards by surgeons from all regions managing a high incidence of cases. Iran has reported a sudden increase in cases of isolated anosmia, and many colleagues from the US, France and Northern Italy have the same experience. I have personally seen four patients this week, all under 40, and otherwise asymptomatic except for the recent onset of anosmia – I usually see roughly no more than one a month. I think these patients may be some of the hitherto hidden carriers that have facilitated the rapid spread of COVID-19. Unfortunately, these patients do not meet current criteria for testing or self-isolation.
While there is a chance the apparent increase in incidence could merely reflect the attention COVID-19 has attracted in the media, and that such cases may be caused by typical rhinovirus and coronavirus strains, it could potentially be used as a screening tool to help identify otherwise asymptomatic patients, who could then be better instructed on self-isolation.
Given the potential for COVID-19 to present with anosmia, and the reports that corticosteroid use may increase the severity of infection, we would advise against use of oral steroids in the treatment of new onset anosmia during the pandemic, particularly if it is unrelated to head trauma or nasal pathology (such as nasal polyps).
There is potential that if any adult with anosmia but no other symptoms was asked to self-isolate for seven days, in addition to the current symptom criteria used to trigger quarantine, we might be able to reduce the number of otherwise asymptomatic individuals who continue to act as vectors, not realising the need to self-isolate. It will also be an important trigger for healthcare personnel to employ full PPE and help to counter the higher rates of infection found amongst ENT surgeons compared to other healthcare workers.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&ge...
I could barely smell some things like say peppercorns, or coffee beans, but the intensity was 1/100th of what it should have been.
I never had a fever or a cough but I did feel a bit more tired than usual.
Thanks to this thread, I won't know whether my diminished smell is from the zinc tablet or I've contracted Covid-19!
Time will tell, maybe.
I was really sick for about 2 weeks, which included a mild fever for a couple of days.
I remember thinking that I can't remember being this sick in a long time and I wonder now if I had the Covid-19 infection.
https://i.imgur.com/83fu3XR.jpg
(I can't vouch for the accuracy)
The significance here is that it may be a symptom of infection in those who are otherwise asymptomatic. Thus it potentially serves as a quick and dirty test for who should err on the side of self isolating even if they don't feel sick to try to stop the spread.
Maybe it will be different for covid?
Case in point: I had this a week ago. I'm pretty sure I don't have COVID19 though, even though I'm in Wuhan, WA.
Let's not create even more panic than there already is. That, above all, was my point.
If healthcare surveys are being done one would expect questions on any recurring/existing conditions, and if people have any history of anosmia already.