How the iPad's New Trackpad Works
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From this video: https://youtu.be/hB1aP2OnUJA we can see it quickly gets to 100c and stays there despite ramping the fan up. So while a quad core that can turbo up to 3.5/3.8ghz sounds awesome, for heavy sustained performance it looks like it’s definitely going to be clocking down to 1.5ghz or so.
This isn’t a surprise to me but I think some people just see 3.5/3.8 quad core and think this is going to be right on the heels of the MBP 13
That said compared to other notebooks, MacBooks in similar tiers tend to benchmark quite well regardless of the thermal throttling.
Why would you do that?
So for example the CPU is rated at 1.1ghz base and up to 3.5ghz boost. In the thermal throttling video we see it hold steady at ~10w and ~1.5ghz sustained. As far as Intel/Apple is concerned this isn’t thermal throttling because it is still higher than the base clock. Previously they would list all core boost clock and I think if it fell below that it would technically be thermal throttling
Trying changing resolutions or scaling or refresh rate. 2K moniter are supposedly worse than others.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22265235
It is a joke that a high end machine has such a glaring issue. Then again, Apple got away from selling terrible terrible keyboards that were not easily replaceable for years.
For 60% of the cost of my MBP 16, I built a liquid cooled Ryzen 9 3900Z beast with 64GB of fast RAM, 1TB NVME SSD, RTX 2080 GPU, driving two 4k displays.
I run nixOS on it, my MBP only sees the light of day for things that absolutely require macOS, or when I’m out and about.
For normal, mostly stationary dev (Go, Rust), the desktop is miles better.
Although I love everything else about the MBP 16, this issue drives me crazy.
Edit: admittedly, this is a bit like returning to a desktop...
Also my first thought, but then I remembered the new monitor stand. The monitor attaches with magnets and by all accounts the movement mechanism works very well. Odds are they took what they learned there and applied it on a smaller scale here.
But this... this might convince me to actually get my first iPad.
Then one day I saw a stock clearance offer and bought an Ipad because the price was so good it was a steal.
Then another day I added three pdf books to ibooks so I could read it on vacations, then three more, then ten, then twenty.
I also use it for note taking and sketches. The pencil and the ipad is an old model now but I love it.
Then I stated using it for programming with my own side loaded apps that connect with a big computer.
Then for minor things like controlling my 3D printers, for showing something to someone(work colleagues) you can do it while walking which is very useful.
So the thing only does three things for me, but in those things the thing is essential.
But I personally find reading on a Kindle (or other e-ink devices) to be a far, far better and more comfortable experience than on an LED device like an iPad - honestly, it's as good as reading from paper books (and I say that as a lifelong bookworm).
The battery life, form factor and weight are also firmly in the Kindle's favour when compared to an iPad.
Now a Remarkable or other larger e-ink device would probably be better than the iPad, but last I checked they cost the same or more than an iPad Pro that can do so much more they feel like a waste of money.
I've never even tried to read a technical book on a Kindle, largely for the reasons you outline, but also because I tend to read such books in a different way. With a novel, you're relaxing and reading large chunks at a time, whereas with a technical book I'm usually simultaneously taking notes, coding or looking up related stuff in a browser, so I use a laptop or desktop PC for that (a tablet wouldn't work well for me here)
I'm a little surprised that you are able to do all that so well simultaneously on a PC though. Whenever I've tried to do it the context switching between reading the book or other documents and whatever I'm trying to do with it kills me. Maybe it is because I've only tried to do it on laptops (I don't have a desktop PC) but I also prefer just browsing the web on my phone than on my laptop so maybe I'm just weird.
My general rule of thumb when I'm (normally) traveling a lot is that I bring one laptop-like device (MacBook, Chromebook) and one tablet-like thing (Kindle, iPad).
The reason I (and probably others) tend to use community maintained software is because I absolutely hate fighting with my computer over something I shouldn’t have to (like wanting to install a compiler.) This is what people mean when they say the iPad is a big iPhone; you have to fight it to make it do anything just like on the iPhone.
Try reading the comment.
But, I really love our iPads for enjoyment purposes. Apple Arcade is a really nice gaming deal and you can pair Xbox/PS controllers. It's also obviously nicer than a phone for reading and watching things.
It's nicer than a laptop for reading some things, thanks to the option to switch to a vertical orientation.
The speakers on the iPad Pros are actually quite impressive as well. Not as good as the 2019 16" MBP (which are REALLY impressive) but they are very enjoyable for watching videos.
iPads are also nice for kitchen use - watching videos or looking at recipes. No worries about things getting into the keyboard, like with a laptop.
iPads are far from essential. I could easily live without one. But in our house they've finally carved out a very solid niche.
I think it's annoying that it has such a powerful CPU but the software won't let me run my usual development tools directly on the machine, and that Safari is missing features like allowing webpages to take advantage of the 120Hz display. It kind of reminds me of being a Sony user in the early 2000s... amazing hardware, absolutely crap software. Apple's software is not crap and is generally pretty okay, but it does feel a lot like that situation to me. If the iOS ecosystem were open-source, Intel-based laptops would be dead on the floor. But it's not, so you have to either suffer a hot underpowered laptop that runs good software, or a quick and light device that only runs dumbed-down versions of software. Even though the iPad has more raw CPU power.
The big things I miss are mouse support (way better device than my fingers, for manipulating web pages designed with mice, anyway), the ability to talk to random USB dongles (I run into lots of things with UARTs that I want to talk to from my "laptop"), and the inability to run things like Fusion 360. (I'm willing to change CAD software if there is something that runs equally-well on iPads and Windows/Linux, though.)
(I do think it's funny that to make money, all I need is a terminal connected to a Linux box and the Internet... but for hobbies and recreation, I need software that is written by thousands of developers all working on the same codebase.)
When writing this I wrote some phrases like "It's just not good at many of the tasks people use laptops for", then had to try and rewrite that a few times. The thing is there are a whole slew of tasks that sound like they are the same, but how and where you do them makes a huge difference. How you do them on an iPad is completely different to how you do them on a laptop, and that breaks some people's work flow or simplifies and streamlines otherwise very painful work flows for others. I use my iPad heavily for writing and scripting, but I do a lot of that on the train or in all sorts of ad-hoc situations where a laptop would be a real nuisance. Hence I don't use a keyboard case either. It works for me but absolutely would not work for a lot of others.
I don't own a personal laptop anymore. I use my iPad Air for video-editing, for Google Docs as well as for media consumption when I travel or when I'm at a coffee shop. It's so light that I can whip it out in 3 seconds, do stuff, and put it away. Because it's designed as a mobile device, battery usage is enhanced so I can use it all day without recharging -- else I can plug it into a small Anker battery pack.
You can do that with an MBA too, but that's a more expensive device plus there's just a little more fuss. Power consumption is higher so you are always hunting for an outlet and there's the added weight of an AC adapter (none with the iPad) -- though I suppose these days you can charge MBA's with a larger battery pack.
Caveat: programming doesn't work so well because the iPad (even with the keyboard/trackpad) has a "one-app at a time" interface, whereas with programming you need multiple windows open simultaneously. (iOS has a multi window interface but it isn't that great)
But the e-ink screen and battery time are definitely better on Kindle.
Before we had kids, I would get her hand-me-down iPads. I tried integrating them into my workflow, going as far as leaving my laptop at home for a week long trip where I would be working remotely (we had a small bluetooth keyboard even).
And I still couldn't find a good place for it in my workflow. When I need to type long things or write code, I prefer my laptop. When I need to do sysadmin work, I prefer my laptop. And for everything else, my iPhone is more than sufficient.
At this point the kids have taken over the last two hand-me-downs, so there is none left for me to try again. Eventually my wife will get an upgrade to her iPad Pro, and then I'll perhaps have access to a decent iPad again.
I'll try once again to add it into my workflow and see if there is a place for it, now that they've done a better job with synchronizing between Apple devices. I guess we'll see how it goes...
It's primarily a consumption device of which it's one of the most enjoyable to consume content in, so it's not going to be as appealing to creators, although it's starting to get used more with designers, writers and photographers.
I'll see the occasional post of devs attempting an iPad workflow with SSH and vi/emacs/etc but I doubt I'll ever see it as a general purpose dev device, maybe Apple can extend Swift playground to be useful for some limited GUI Apps composed mostly by dragging UI Components, changing props & writing little event code snippets.
But I really don’t see the purpose of buying a Mac for personal use. I have a work provided laptop, I mostly do “consumption” at home besides the occasional resume update with Word and some personal spreadsheets.
The iPad has better battery life than a laptop, instant on , built in cellular, it’s more consistently responsive and first and foremost, I can install any random crap trusting the sandbox and the permission system.
But as far as a “bigger phone”, having a larger screen is a godsend not to mention working with multiple apps at once and pip video.
I had the first gen iPad and it was just a bigger iPhone, the iPad has come a long way since then.
But for my mother, who has never touched, nor wanted to touch a computer, it has opened whole new worlds for her. She now loves that iPad and uses it for email, facebook, web browsing etc.
There are a whole lot more people out there like my mother than those who read hacker news.
If you've never felt the need for an iPad, you probably don't need one.
I use it to take notes during meetings, to keep daily work logs, for replying to emails, checking up on slack, reading PDFs and ebooks, task management, web browsing and watching video as a third monitor to my two display desktop setup.
Yes it is extremely limited in a lot of ways, but having an instant on device that is one tap and less than a MS away from all those tasks really does change the way you work. And being able to pick it up and walk around with it comfortably means you can do those tasks anywhere. And if you are like me and work remote from places like coffee shops - it basically takes up barely any more room in your laptop bag.
I read more on the iPad than I do with physical books or my Kindle. In particular, pair it with an O'Reilly Learning account and it opens up a whole new pedagogic world I did not realize I was missing out on.
It makes me wish Oyster was still around too.
I’m replying to you using my 7th iPad.
With a SIM card for internet connectivity, it’s hard to beat for keeping grandparents connected with their grandchildren with a steady stream of photos and the occasional video call.
Obviously it's for people who want a bigger screen.
Any you'll get a MacBook Air where you're not allowed to run a significant part of productivity/development software and absolutely nothing that wasn't approved by some californian.
Losing your ability to ever build a product that might compete with your hardware manufacturer is a massive loss of freedom no matter how much you're trying to call me a "contrarian".
Remember, in Apple's world, software like Firefox which fights for privacy against corporations is not allowed to exist. That's the major difference between the iPad world and macOS world.
- The animations/effects etc take way too long. It is fatiguing to work on it because every action takes at least 2+ seconds with a dozen animations, each one lasting 100ms-300ms!
Try the following task yourself: Copy a piece of text from safari and create a new note in the Notes app, and paste it in there. While you're doing this, time it. Seriously, do it. And then do it 10 times. See how tired you get.
We need a completely new operating system with absolutely zero animations. You know what happens when you launch vim from CLI? It starts up. No animations. CLI is a pain to work with at times, but this aspect is so critical to putting a smile on the users face. Everything would instantly become insanely fast.
I understand the value of animations - they're there to provide context, where something slides in and slides out from. This is fine for iPhone. But not for a workstation. I also understand that I can disable motion in accessibility settings but it still doesn't disable all of them. Also, that's not the default so that's a moot point.
This is such a low hanging fruit to speed up things, but alas, we have UX/UI designers that insist on "sleek" and "sexy" UX/UI without delving into the fundamentals of what makes a product or software pleasant to use. While you're at it, you'd also improve the UX - battery life because you're not churning transparency effects and motion blur through the GPU pipes. Yes, battery life is "UX" IMO.
You're absolutely correct and i wholeheartedly concur with you on all this. i'd add Mac OS X (at least Catalina) to that as well, stuff like switching virtual desktops shows an animation and there's no way AFAICT to disable it.
Unless there's serious computation/data-transfer (including over a network) happening, i feel like computer user-interfaces really shouldn't have human-perceptible latency; and even then, only the specific component that's requiring computation/data-transfer should get latency'd, it's inexcusable for a whole system to get slow because one application is doing a lot.
> We need a completely new operating system with absolutely zero animations.
Whoa, there's a big gap between "there are too many animations" and "we need a completely new OS". There are a lot of good things about iOS that I'd hate to throw out with this bathwater. I'd much rather fix this problem than throw up my hands and start over.
(As to fixability—macOS, for example, let's you turn off animations for app openings, and I think iOS's "reduce motion", or whatever it is called, helps here, too—although I don't have an iDevice handy to test, [EDIT] and I see now elsewhere in this thread you aren't happy with it.)
Animations help less experienced users understand what is going on and the relationships between objects. Plus they just make the experience more interesting and fun. An important aspect if you're newer and have to spend time climbing the learning curve.
And Apple gave expert users, who aren't their core audience, a two click way to switch it all off. So not sure what more you want from them.
UI: https://i0.wp.com/as400i.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/main...
But in any case, we’re really talking about ipads, 99% of users buy them precisely because of the friendly UI with its animations. Efficiency is the last thing on their mind.
Those two resources are themselves not that easy to discover, however.
https://support.apple.com/guide/ipad/welcome/ipados
(hit table of contents -> basics)
I tried this and it feels great! But I am wondering if this will work well with a non-native GUI stack such as Flutter or QML.
It was surprisingly useful, but... it was still 2011 Android. The best thing was still to put an SSH client on it and actually do all the work somewhere else remotely.
It was a great device, save for the severely compromised Nvidia-SOC which made HD-playback only work sometimes. Such a let-down!
Had someone made a device like this with the specs of the Nexus 7, I would have bought it and replaced my Transformer in a heartbeat.
But nobody did, so now I’m back on my Thinkpad, and it’s actually really nice to run a OS of your choice, which you loaded on a machine you own, which isn’t actively fighting you.
Craig clearly is the successor to Scott.
The good: This really makes more complex productivity possible on the iPad getting it closer to a desktop machine.
The bad: I've already saw bugs which are new to 13.4 (didn't have them on 13.3.1).
It still requires developers to use newer API to support trackpad. For example, Firefox now has no right click support while Safari includes of course.
Also I assume the iPad itself is coupled magnetically to the case/stand.
How does this work with a physical mouse? Does the cursor reappear in the same spot on the screen, or what? Would someone using a physical mouse constantly be forced to reposition it?
Ok sounds cool.
> The pointer will only appear when you need it.
Like a windows pc with a touch screen or any Android device.
> The pointer is a little circular dot.
Why not, it doesn't seem very precise but it's probably because UIs on iOs are not and shouldn't designed to be used with a precise pointer.
> It can change shape based on what it’s pointing at.
As they say, nothing new there.
> It supports some navigation gestures.
Like on a 20 years old Mac indeed.
I'm a bit disappointed.
Sure. Because you didn't actually get the point.
The cursor actually transforms into the touch area. No OS today does this and it's definitely novel.
With the effect on the cursor “snaps” to button targets, and when it does the effect has a pulling effect, so if you apply a little motion it will move out of the control, but you see the effect visually.
It serves the purpose of knowing that you can click on something, plus also makes clicking things faster because of the snapping to targets. It’s kind of like auto-aim but for your trackpad.
It definitely makes it feel choppy when trying to move around the screen and do things quickly. It does store the underlying position and accelerates to catch up when you pull out of a touch target, but it still chops up the movement visually.
It’s because ios apps don’t have hover effects, so they use this to indicate you can click something.
> Like on a 20 years old Mac indeed.
Yeah, only this time around Apple will have you firmly locked in to their walled garden. What’s not to like!
I do understand why companies such as Uber had different behaviours in their app if the user was inside or close to an Apple building.
At this rate I wont be surprised to see revolutionary full access to the filesystem, and flexible window management, in 2030.