Deaths will come either by the coronavirus and/or by the poverty created by the extreme social measures suggested by the ongoing mania. I tend to believe the latter will kill more and be longer lasting.
* https://www.cdc.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=a30402000000&bid=00...
There's already a softening to people's needs in regards to healthcare and the economy - can you imagine the US seriously discussing any form of UBI 3 weeks ago?
While I understand it's going to be a tough hole to get out of, the economic levers seem like they'll be easier to adjust, and are adjustable on a longer timeline, than the acute condition of "not enough beds".
* https://www.niskanencenter.org/is-u-s-health-care-well-equip...
A significant number in my opinion. "Young" people are acting not only selfishly, but stupidly.
_Two_ possible deaths, if/when we get to the point that hospital systems are overwhelmed. "Under-50s survive when they get dedicated medical care and full access to medications/ventilators/etc they might need" is a _very_ different picture from "Under-50s survive without adequate medical care".
https://www.infoplease.com/us/comprehensive-census-data-stat...
In contrast you look at age >=65, they make up 12.4% of the population, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm
It is kind of funny how desparate some boomers are to push "this virus affects you zoomers too!!!" angle, probably as a response to the "boomer remover" memes. Or just a weird boomer "well if we're going to die, we're gonna take you with us!" thing. I guess understandable but generally reflects the hateful ageist attitudes of boomers towards younger generations. The avocado toast mindset.
Yes, it's still lethal at 0.1% among younger populations. 0.1% doesn't mean nobody dies, it means very few die. This is a disease that primarily affects older populations. Some people are searching for a reason to hope it'll take their kids too.
Frankly this is a wrongheaded position from a triage perspective. The macro-socially correct answer is that you should prefer the person who still has 40-60 years of life over the person who is going to die in 5 or 10 or 20.
It's a very boomer-centric perspective that youngs are somehow "stealing a bed" from a boomer. But that's nothing new from that generation. Really it's the other way around, treating grandma is stealing a bed out from underneath her grandkid and leaving them to die.
You may find that crass or distasteful, but that's the reality of triage. You don't do triage until you don't have enough medical resources to go around, but then you have to make choices.
In Italy, they won't admit 70+'s to a hospital at all. That's how triage works. That's the correct way for triage to work. It's harsh but true.
Singling out particular groups of people for doing stupid things at one point in time isn't really fair. There are olds who keep going to church as well, they have just as much culpability here.
But it's much more popular to point the news cameras at some kids on spring break than a church packed shoulder to shoulder with boomers. That generation makes a point of shitting on zoomers every chance they get, and if you point it out they cry about ageism as if that's not exactly what they were doing themselves.
It's "avocado toast" playing out all over again.
(in all of these cases, I think the states are rightfully clamping down on what's allowable. My parents spent the last two days whining at me that their reservation at a florida state park got cancelled. So that spring break thing probably won't repeat. And the maximum size for a public gathering is coming down rapidly... states were setting limits like 250 a week or so ago, now that number is 50 and some states are going to 5 or 10. This problem is basically solving itself. But are you being ageist about it by singling out zoomers as being some unique problem here? Yes, absolutely.)
You may subjectively claim irresponsible, but the measures being taken across the entire population are not without consequences.