And why are tellers not bankers? They perform one of the main public facing banking tasks/services.
Also how are tellers supposed to work from home? This is a rather unfair situation, but it's just the nature of the job, not some attack on the lower class.
I just find this whole article weird.
This question/claim only makes any sense if you're willing to consider that the cleaning staff might deserve to be called "bankers" too.
Tellers don't provide any banking services. They can't agree to hold your money or loan you money. They don't provide any advice. They're an implementation detail of the banking agreement you set up with an actual banker, a piece of plumbing that happens to be how you move money into or out of your account. Hence the popularity of automatic teller machines.
That is where my confusion lies. What is the definition of a banker? And what is their job title?
I would be comfortable calling e.g. a corporate treasurer a "banker" in this sense, though I wouldn't expect corporate treasurers to be included in the category "bankers" in the context of this piece.
For this piece, something like the intersection of (1) the definition I provide with (2) the class of people employed by "banks".
A teller occupies a position of responsibility in that they can cause a lot of mischief by misbehaving. But I don't think the responsibility to refrain from stealing from the company is the relevant kind of responsibility. A teller at work isn't supposed to be making any decisions of any kind.
On the negligible chance that you made this comment in earnest, the results may surprise you.
In my mental model, someone who handles, protects, counts, transfers, etc. money to and from customers is fairly literally "responsible for a flow of money".
I suspect you believe your definition requires a higher threshold and/or type of responsibility that these roles do not entail, but I don't see where that is in your definition.
I think maybe you what you mean is that our hypothetical banker is independently making some decisions around how / where / etc this money flows with some degree of autonomy ?
My point here was primarily just to say that it is maybe a bit thornier of a thing to define than you realize given that your definition in my honest opinion and in what I consider a reasonable reading did not clearly leave out one of the primary categories of employee that you intended it to exclude.
Sidenote - stating that "you will find most people will agree with me" is an, um, interesting method of argument.
Not at all. That is the standard for determining what something means.
What you're saying here is that I expressed an idea, you agree with me as to both what I meant by it and what other people would understand by it, but, for unstated reasons, you think my expression was metaphysically incorrect. Why?
The project of communication is for the listener to understand the same thing the speaker intended. If that happens, the communication was correct. As applied here, if I think "responsible for a flow of money", elucidated by a negative example, means something, and everyone else agrees with me that it means that thing... then that is in fact what it means. Words hold their meaning by common agreement, and solely by common agreement.
See https://www.bls.gov/ncs/ocs/ocsm/comba-be.htm which links the census term to https://www.bls.gov/ncs/ocs/ocsm/comB007.htm .
> B007 FINANCIAL MANAGERS Management and management related occupations in the financial field of banking, trust companies, credit agencies, investment agencies etc. Workers in this occupation are concerned with the management of financial affairs. Include the following occupations:
> Bank Cashier, Branch Manager, Comptroller, Credit Union Manager, Controller, Treasurer, Financial Director, Investment Manager, Accounting Department Manager, Accounts Supervisor, Auditing Department Manager
"Bank teller" has its own OCS entry, "D383 BANK TELLERS", at https://www.bls.gov/ncs/ocs/ocsm/comd383.htm :
> Exclude Cashiers (C276).
> Receive and pay out money and keep records of money and negotiable instruments involved in various bank transactions
Lawyers, software developers, and cleaning staff have their own OCS classifications and likely rarely call themselves a "banker" in the census.
The financial industry uses the term "banker" along the lines described at https://financialcareeroptions.com/financial-careers/financi... :
> A banker is an employee of a bank or financial institution who services the financial needs of clients. These clients can be individuals or institutions, both with different needs. A banker tries to maximize the profit of a bank while maintaining appropriate risk levels.
> Essentially, bankers raise capital to make loans and investments. They charge interest and fees for the services and seek profit on the investments
A teller, for example, does not do those tasks.