NBA suspends season over the coronavirus after player tests positive
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I don't get people.
First, it's not all of Europe -- 26 of 44 countries in Europe affected. Second, it doesn't include cargo (the president misspoke). Third, it doesn't restrict Americans traveling. Those affected are foreign nationals who have been those 26 countries in the last 14 days.
I agree this is still a bigger deal than Tom Hanks. However, for 99.99% Americans it's the first person they "know" who has coronavirus. So obviously people will see that and it will feel more real to them than a short-term ban on certain foreign nationals who were in 26 countries in the last two weeks.
The restrictions start for foreign nationals who aren't up in the air by Friday night, midnight Eastern time.
It's really hard to process all the information that's available about what's going on; it's changing constantly, there's no consensus on a lot of stuff, the numbers and curves are highly unnatural to think about even if they didn't have massive uncertainty in their variables, and on and on.
As an example, instead let's talk about the lottery. If I hear that a movie star won the lottery, that's pretty surprising. I didn't expect to ever even know the name of someone that wins the lottery. The odds are really, really long and I don't know the names of enough people. And oh, an NBA player won the lottery today too? OK, well maybe this lottery doesn't work the way I was thinking.
Here's hoping the NBA, and whatever leagues might be affected, are able to reschedule their games once this nasty bug finally dies out.
Edit:
Closer to home(mine), I was sent away at the doors of a minor league hockey game in the midwest tonight. Only team, staff & media personnel were allowed in the doors for the game that was still being played.
But the thing that makes F1 actually somewhat unique in terms of Coronavirus risk, is that it’s supposed to take place across 22 countries (down to 21 now that China’s been cancelled - or “postponed”). Including a number of countries that have high infection rates, like Italy, Singapore and Japan. An F1 team member could theoretically be infected in one country, go to a race in another country, leave and arrive in a 3rd country before they even show symptoms.
So far what the FIA has done is cancel China, prohibit driver > fan interaction at events, limit press interaction, and said that some races will be run without live audiences. They’ve also said that if a team can’t race because of the virus, they won’t hold an official GP, but they kinda implied they’d still hold a race.
I’m a big fan of F1, so I’m happy to see the races. But it seems like a disaster waiting to happen. The FIA also have a terrible history of not cancelling events when they really should be cancelled. Last year when Typhoon Hagibis was forecast to arrive onshore in Japan on the Saturday of the Japanese GP weekend, the FIAs plan was “we think Typhoon Hagibis will be gone by Sunday, so we’ll just run qualifying on Sunday morning”. It did clear up by then, but really just by luck. In 2005 the circuit for the US GP had a corner that was dangerous to take at speed for any car that was using Michelin tires, because they may catastrophically fail. This caused two major crashes during practice. The FIA refused to change the track, refused to cancel the race, and refused to allow the teams to withdraw. The result was that the (7/10) Michelin teams drove one formation lap, and then had all 14 of their drivers retire. In short, they can’t really be trusted to make defensible decisions about cancelling events.
genuinely curious. I'm not into sports.
Now I take it they're moving in a different direction. Is there generally more or less concern for player safety in the XFL now, compared to the NFL?
If the XFL does play through, the pandemic might be great for them, but I don't see that happening.
The game will still be played, but no fans will be admitted to the stadium. The game will still be aired on TV.
Sorry for your cancelled tickets! What a bummer for timing...
Here's a good video about the disastrous old league, if you need your memory jogged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVj6I_5gCR8
Asset prices and employment reports do not in any way reflect what's in store.
Nothing's fundamentally or structurally changed in the US economy. There were no bad mortgages. We hit the brakes for a bit, but before you know it we'll be back up on our feet and working our asses off, and if we're lucky, we'll get some mandatory paid sick days added to employment law out of it.
[edit] well actually, something has fundamentally changed: the cost of borrowing got somehow even lower meaning an eventual recovery may be turbocharged. The Fed is very unlikely to raise rates as we move past this.
And people are overlooking the fact this is just the herald wave, and probability of a catastrophic 2nd wave this fall/winter is pretty damn high. This isn't going away. This more than likely will move through the population a few times over the next few years until the vulnerable are "sifted through" so to speak. I want to believe in our scientific and technical capabilities but nobody should hold their breath for an effective vaccine in the next year or two. This has the potential to fundamentally and structurally change more than just the economy.
But I feel you..99x out of 100 you're spot on. Unfortunately, it's looking like the potential reality we might be facing is something most can't or don't want to comprehend. It at least deserves real consideration and thought.. we'll get through it and move on, but I don't think people grasp or want to believe what might be to come.
no doubt China tests very aggressively and trials the drugs on their prison population. They have a head-start because no human rights. (And now they also have more reasons to justify these crimes).
I wouldn't want to know how many were disappeared into body bags while they were still breathing just to keep reported numbers down.
So, you don't want to know, but still you can't avoid tell us.
Do you have any information about this kind of thing going on, or you just dream about it last night?
Sure, China has a poor human rights record in many regards. But objectively, their handling of the coronavirus has been phenomenal, especially when one considers its hugely dense population.
And regarding the fake video supposedly showing a live person being body bagged: even Facebook "verified" the video as fake, and you know that.
China's done many things poorly in recent history, but containment of the coronavirus isn't one of them. Resorting to unsubstantiated xenophobia in times like this really says more about you as a person than anything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%9D%8E%E6%96%87%E4%BA%...
> Illegal activities (time, location participants and numbers, problems and outcomes):
> Posting untrue statement "7 confirmed SARS cases at Wuhan Hua'nan Fruit and Seafood Market" on the WeChat Group "Wuhan University Clinical Class of 2004" on Dec 30, 2019.
> [We are] now filing an official warning and admonitions to you on the illegal issue of posting untrue statements on the Internet according to the law. Your behavior severely disrupts social order. Your behavior has exceeded the scope permitted by the law and violates the relevant provisions of the Public Security Administration Punishment Law of the People's Republic of China, which is an illegal act!
Give it a rest.
Hospitals in Asia generally demand payment before checkout, so I wouldn't want to find myself a semi-conscious plague patient with no cash left.
What do I mean by demand? They post a guard outside your door until somebody pays the bill in full. God help you if you say you can't pay, especially if there's a lineup of new patients. You actually could get a bag over your head.
If you want to read more about how hospitals work in China, google "big sickness". There's some socialized medicine, but cancer and organ transplant bills are similar to what an uninsured US citizen would face - sign over the house.
America would like a word with you. One of the biggest real risks to spread in America is that 30 million Americans have no health insurance, and can't afford a day off work.
> What do I mean by demand? They post a guard outside your door until somebody pays the bill in full. God help you if you say you can't pay, especially if there's a lineup of new patients. You actually could get a bag over your head.
Hey... just like America!
You should find some Uyghur friends and see how this white-washing goes down with them.
It really is different this time, and it frightens me, not the virus itself but the economic ramifications.
The best case scenario is that summer stops the virus from spreading, panic lessens, and then a treatment is found before September that is effective and quick. Then a vaccine comes out next March 2021 and everyone is happy again.
This really is a massive bomb under the economy. Credit is stretched by years of low rates and now a lot of things have to stop.
Other commentators hint at postponed spending, which would be good. But many things in the economy do not work that way. If you skip your holiday now, it's not coming back and the hotels and restaurants will not get that money later. Same with a number of other businesses.
It's not that I'm saying it's all lost, but you have to count on some share being lost.
There has been no evidence that Cov-2 is anywhere as heat sensitive as influenza. This isn’t “the flu”. It doesn’t have to conform to flu patterns.
Right now the only countries getting this under control are ones that have started social distancing early and left many measures in place.
Just because people over 70 won't be going to them, doesn't mean the rest of us won't be. Besides, once I've had cornavirus - which could well be inevitable - I'll no longer be scared for it and will head back out. So will everybody else.
To be honest, the best way to avoid a severe economic impact is to accept you'll most likely get it, and rather than killing businesses by staying inside, just got on with your life, stay fit and healthy, and hope for the best. You're more likely to be killed driving your car, so carry on living!
I sure hope you don't have any elderly family members. Plenty of people in their 40s have died too
Your strategy will probably keep you alive, but the same is not guaranteed for many millions of people that are old or with immune system complications.
It doesn't change the fact they are now carriers and are potentially going to infect a child, or an elderly, or someone with a compromised immune system.
The death rate for those over 80 is 12% or higher.
Now, if everyone shuts down their life and somehow society can survive for 3 weeks with nobody allowed to move anywhere, maybe this virus goes away.
But, I think the economic consequences of that will be a lot worse than just continuing on with normal life and making sure people over 80 and people with chronic diseases are cloistered away and cared for.
I implore you to read up on what the situation in Italy is like at this moment, and to look into why the Danish government just declared Denmark in lockdown mode.
Denmark went from 30 diagnosed cases to over 500 in 5 days. This is with an aggressive testing protocol that includes tracking, testing and quarantining every person each new case has been in contact with.
To think that the US with their limited and delayed testing is at anywhere below 20000 actual infections by now seems extremely optimistic
Everyone will get sick -at the same time-. That's a really really big deal
Every government worker who's not in a critical role or healthcare is being sent home. Most bars will close for the next two weeks, all sports activities have been cancelled, all gyms are closing down. Everyone who can work from home is working from home. Any gathering of people is discouraged
"Closing schools". Why is the media trying to undersell this so hard?
Only people who need to be in hospitals are those who need intubation.
Everyone will get sick no matter what you try to do. So the government needs to spin up more intubation servers, not block IPs...
The other problem is the 10-15% ICU rate. That swamps healthcare systems. Italy's healthcare system has nearly collapsed in the north, from just 12,000 positive cases so far. They're having to let patients die, which is why their mortality rate is so extremely high. The Lombardy region has one of the better rated healthcare systems on the planet and it can't handle what's happening. Unconstrained, Italy's healthcare system nationwide would collapse rapidly as their cases ballooned into the many tens of thousands. I'm not picking on Italy here, merely using them as a clear example of how serious this is. Every country should be treating this like a severe, immediate threat to their healthcare system continuing to function.
The population has immunization to the flu, it doesn't spread that quickly. (It spreads quickly, but not -that- quickly)
The flu is deadly, but not as deadly as corona
We already HAVE the flu season going on, so this is on top of the flu
Everyone will get sick no matter what, but how many people are sick at the same time makes an insane difference.
Given what is happening right now in Italy, I can't believe anyone would still go "it's just the flu"
Oh you have the disease, and you're part of the legions of people that 1) don't have insurance or 2) have skyhigh catastrophic coverage insurance.
You're first question isn't "should I get treatment", it is:
WHO WILL PAY FOR MY QUARANTINE.
And people will avoid the billing-happy US healthcare system, and large percentages of people stay in circulation.
EDIT: Nope, fubar'd this; it's a disease. Thanks hexane360.
There is no medical treatment for most people; there is no cure to administer.
Stay hydrated, manage symptoms, rest, and monitor for worsening conditions is about all that can be done for the majority of people.
EDIT: Edited for structure.
What I am, is wrong about it not being a disease. All these are listed as diseases: SARS-COV, MERS-COV, and nCOV. Even, also, the common flu. I never thought of that as a disease before now, since it's a viral infection. Thank you for making me learn a little more tonight.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_synd...
"Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans."
The naming is actually a bit confusing to me, as the CDC has this to say[1]:
"On February 11, 2020 the World Health Organization announced an official name for the disease that is causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, first identified in Wuhan China. The new name of this disease is coronavirus disease 2019, abbreviated as COVID-19. In COVID-19, ‘CO’ stands for ‘corona,’ ‘VI’ for ‘virus,’ and ‘D’ for disease. Formerly, this disease was referred to as “2019 novel coronavirus” or “2019-nCoV”."
I'm not sure where the separation between virus and disease is or was, of if that even matters in the end.
Wikipedia calls diseases "medical conditions that are associated with specific symptoms and signs".
In my worldview, up until tonight, my understanding of a disease was something that won't go away on it's own. Heart disease, Huntington's, etc.
I agree about the media. While I've seen COVID-19 everywhere; I didn't know anything about the nomenclature in this field and have only heard references to a virus, not a disease.
Guess not.
He recently did this, https://twitter.com/SomeonesAnIdiot/status/12379197037812940... claiming something along the lines of 'it's not a big deal'
Good thing the Jazz-Thunder game was called off because with all the physicality and contact during an NBA game it would have been so easy to spread the virus to other teams even if Gobert wasn’t in the game.
His teammate Emmanuel Mudiay has also tested positive.
Edit:Unconfirmed source
His other teammate tests positive.
Here's a fun fact: Toxoplasma gondii causes rats to like cats (feces) instead of fearing them, making them prone to being eaten by cats - which is great for the parasite as it reproduces in cat's alimentary system. Incidentally, humans with Toxoplasmosis are over-represented in traffic accidents, which may suggests some of that recklessness effect carries over.
[1] https://www.techradar.com/news/the-last-of-us-hbo-tv-show
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/darwins-subterranean...
https://evesdrift.com/2014/01/01/change-in-human-social-beha...
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1349985915923183693...
People that don't do this, won't have a viral moment when it's announced that they have the disease. People that do this kind of thing can have a viral moment when it's announced.
It's possible, of course -- maybe very high activity accelerated the timeline -- but he spends his days around hundreds of people, and then occasionally tens of thousands of people. Just walking out of the tunnel he is under the respiratory cloud of hundreds of people.
It seems deeply improbable that this event was the cause, not least because the timeline isn't among the probable set.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9nfSnMhqJF/?igshid=1n32u59f63bp...
USA: This will overwhelm our legal system.
There's this standard case for law students (here in Germany): A man wishes his wife was dead. He sends her out to the mailbox on rainy day, muttering "I hope you get hit by lightning" under his breath. She does get hit by lightning and dies. Murder?
People like you are so obvious. What do you think happened to the region that gave us HIV? Nothing because it's not their fault.
If that is true, I'm not sure you can just say "it happens", as the wet market environments are man-made.
[1] Vox : "Why new diseases keep appearing in China" -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54
[2] Vox Explained: "The Next Pandemic" -- https://www.netflix.com/watch/81062202?trackId=13752289&tctx...