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This kind of Sinophobia is so unwarranted -- China has done the best to control this disease outside of maybe S. Korea.

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Suggesting the Who is partial to China is not sinophobia.

Sorry to say that, but Taiwan did the best to control it

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-t...

See it yourself, not China. They hide data from the world, beat people up on street. How come that now becomes a model for the world? Taiwan is a free country, and yet they did a great job there.

Taiwan has not even been permitted membership to the WHO and is excluded from WHO participation. Maybe it was Taiwan that the WHO was praising when they were talking of China.

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What's Sinophobic about this?

Look at the YouTube channel they linked.

People who are so "sinophobic" that they spent their best years in china, learning the language, marrying locals, and creating multiple documentaries about Chinese culture, and only left China because the recent xenophobia of China has become too much for them to continue living there.

I disagree. I haven't lived in China (for more than two months at a time), but traveled there multiple times, which was an eye-opening experience. I've met several foreigners living in China, some of them since before 2010. There is no raise in xenophobia according to those people.

The clickbait that these two Youtubers spread on their channels creates a very, very biased picture of China, and Chinese society (to the negative). Things are blown out of proportion or presented with misleading or no context. Even when they pretend to make a positive video about China, they can't help but add a few dismissive comments here and there.

All of the aforementioned people I know dislike their content, because they feel it misrepresents China as a whole.

I could go on about how and why I think these two guys are toxic, but the gist of it is that I actually used to watch their channel regularly before they became full-time youtubers, which was a turning point. Over the following 6-12 months their content slowly became more clickbaity and generally negative towards China. But I guess once you depend on youtube financially, you simply make videos that get the most clicks. Their comment section slowly turned from "sometimes filled with Chinese trolls and otherwise cool people" to a cesspool of people living in their echo chamber of "murica is awesome, teh commies are evil", and obviously still a lot of Chinese trolls.

Their content doesn't help to get insight into China. It helps you to strengthen the bubble you live in.

What they say in the channel are all true, they have been traveling in China and living there for long time, they married Chinese wife. If you really look closely, you will notice that they pointed out many problems in China, which I don't think it's Sinophobia. If you point out problems in any country makes you something phobia, then there's no freedom of speech....

I have followed ADVChina for quite some time. The creators provide a unique lens into Chinese culture that is hard to find elsewhere. They are very open about talking about Chinese culture and why it is the way it is. They talk about what they like and don't like about the culture but not in a racist way. The titles of their Youtube videos are click-baity, but the content is informative.

Vietnam has done similarly well too. China deserves some blame for not having investigated complaints seriously and allowing it to have spread at least for a month before the alarm bells were rung.

I think most people can agree that no one country has done a stellar job (including the US) to contain and mitigate the virus but given that China was the first to be hit, it gets a larger share of the blame for letting it spread to the rest of the world. If you look at the timeline of the events that transpired in China since December [1], it shows a clear pattern of ignorance and favoring politics over public health. You know things have gone completely wrong when you decide to arrest doctors that have called out the disease. Anybody that says "China has done the best to control this disease" is either a CCP shill or massively uninformed or misled by propaganda. Remember, the only news we get out of China comes from state-sanctioned media.

[1] https://wuhanmemo.com/?page_id=230929

> no one country has done a stellar job

Taiwan have done a stellar job. Pre-prepared, acted quickly (starting on 31st of Dec), and have got the results to show they were doing it right. For more information, see: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689

Edit: This also shows up the lie that China’s suppression of information was the critical factor in delaying everyone’s actions: Taiwan had the information and acted, it is just that other countries chose not to act on the information they had. Li Wenliang (one of the whistleblower doctors) on 30 December he “sent a message to fellow doctors in a chat group warning them to wear protective clothing to avoid infection. Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter.”

Hows South Korea doing? I saw they did a lot of tests compared to the rest of us.

They seem to be getting things under control. [0]

[0] https://mackuba.eu/corona/#south_korea

Yes, I noticed too that Taiwan did an amazing job at protecting its citizens. It’s even more remarkable because of how close geographically, culturally and economically it is to China.

Thanks fort he link, seems well researched, even though it has a clear anti China bias.

You've been using HN repeatedly for nationalistic flamewar, which is not a legit use of the site. We've had to ask you more than once to stop doing this since long before Covid-19. Please stop now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: turns out you've been using HN pretty much exclusively for that. That is a bannable offense as the site guidelines make clear. I'm not going to ban you now, but if you don't stop then we will.

China has also silenced those who detected it in early stages. China should pay a dear price for doing so as that is the main reason it got out of control. Stay safe folks!

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