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Comment by photomatt | Hacker News Reader

Hey guys -- for the past 7 years we've named every release after a jazz musician, as you can see here:

http://wordpress.org/about/roadmap/

Usually no one notices, and the codename isn't even in the tweets or announcement email, just a sentence that clearly links to the jazz musician's Wikipedia page. (It's not like Ubuntu codenames that are widely used.) We also put a fun plug for djangoproject.org to the end of the "future" section, which hopefully will also introduce some new people to their project. I haven't seen anyone tweeting the codename except to complain, so I don't think this is going to confuse anybody think we're rewriting in Python. (However much they may want that.)

That said, apologies for the unintended controversy. In hindsight, we probably should have used "Reinhardt" to have the same effect of honoring one of our favorite musicians without anyone getting confused with a fellow Open Source project.

Now to work on 3.2 Sinatra! (Kidding, Ruby folks.)

Hi Matt --

I know this really isn't a big deal, and I really don't want to be a dick about it, but in this age of Google I would really appreciate it if you'd change the name. I think if we codenamed Django 1.3 "Wordpress" you'd feel similarly, right? I really don't want this to turn into A Thing, so how about you just see this as a small favor for a fellow open source hacker and I owe you beer/whiskey/whatever?

Please feel free to get in touch personally if you want to talk further - I'm jacob@jacobian.org.

(I'm Jacob Kaplan-Moss, one of the lead Django devs.)

> if we codenamed Django 1.3 "Wordpress"

Can I just say that I, for one, would find that awesome? :)

it would be the first secure version of wordpress released

Am I the only one that finds it ludicrous that people are complaining about this? what exactly are the consequences of this that'll cripple everything?

Django is trademarked.

But "Reinhardt" is not, and that is what matters.

> what exactly are the consequences of this that'll cripple everything

More noise in web searches?

You think this is bad, you should have been here for the Firebird fiasco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox#Early_Versions

You mean Phoenix? I mean Firebird? No I mean Firefox!

Oh, I remember why Phoenix got bumped as well. I started using it on the first release 0.1!

But don't forget, after Firebird, it was going to be called "Mozilla Firebird".

Oh, fun times!

As somebody who is a huge fan of the Quintette du Hot Club de France and a major Django Reinhardt fanatic, I was wondering if you'd both mind renaming your projects to something else and stop polluting my Gypsy Jazz searches. Just kidding. But seriously though.... (tongue firmly planted in cheek :-)

-python

:)

I cannot believe I am defending WordPress but wow people, it's just a release codename to make it more human and less of "just a number".

How many people know/remember the Windows release codenames or any other product for that matter?

It's not like its "WordPress Reinhardt" or even a product name.

Reinhardt is also a common name.

It's silly stuff like this that keeps me away from Django. The members of its community are too easily offended.

Wordpress names its releases after the last names of famous Jazz musicians. They apparently have done this for the past 7 releases. Nobody knew, nobody cared. We all just called it "Wordpress".

The only people who will call this release "Reinhardt" are the uber-techies who actually care about version names. Everyone else will just call it WordPress like they always have.

You guys are named "Django". Nobody is going to confuse you with WordPress. The uber-techies know better, and nobody else cares.

And just updated the post to change the codename to "Reinhardt," just as a sign of good faith and before anyone else gets the wrong idea.

Hooray for World Peace!

Hurrah. Let sanity prevail. This is good for everyone.

And after a cease and desist letter, WordPress changes their release name to "BHP" for "Butt-Head Programmers". The Django Project sues WordPress for libel, but the court grants a motion to dismiss, stating that "One does not seriously attack the expertise of a programmer using the undefined phrase 'butt-head'".

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

Hehe good association. A hilarious code name fiasco from Apple's PowerPC rollout. Parent is making a good-natured funny, folks.

It is actually a remarkably relevant comment of how this could have gone down, plus I learned something new about BHA that I didn't know. I, for one, upvoted.

Awesome - I appreciate it a lot. Thanks!

You're a gentleman, sir.

Dispute resolved - in under an hour, to the satisfaction of both parties. And not once were the lawyers called.

This is one of the major secondary benefits of OSS in action.

Your username made the comments on this so much better.

Please do not start with this. Look at what has become with Reddit's "novelty accounts" making thematic comments that do rarely add to the topic but rather distract from them.

Well, I think this is one of the strengths of modern companies with modern PR.

Great to hear. :)

"Django" is actually trademarked by The World Company Incorporation: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4007:a1...

IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: DOWNLOADABLE OPEN SOURCE COMPUTER SOFTWARE FOR USE IN CONNECTION WITH INTERNET PUBLISHING AND WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT. FIRST USE: 20050719. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20050719

Changing the name to Reinhardt is not just a good idea ... it's the law! ;-)

Yes, but the trademark now belongs to the Django Software Foundation -- when the DSF was established, the company transferred all the IP to the Foundation.

Good. I thought we were merging.

Hi Matt --

I know this really isn't a big deal, and I really don't want to be a dick about it, but I've been known as Reinhardt in HN for 169 days now and I would really appreciate it if you'd change the name. I think if I changed my nick to "photomattt" you'd feel similarly, right? I really don't want this to turn into A Thing, so how about you just see this as a small favor for a fellow HNer and I owe you beer/whiskey/whatever?

Please feel free to get in touch personally if you want to talk further - I'm reinhardt@reinhardtian.org.

(I'm Reinhardt, one of the lead HN lurkers.)

I've already hinted at this kind of thing over in the related thread on Convore [https://convore.com/django-community/wordpress-release-31-co...]. I don't think you intended any controversy, but I think it would be in bad taste to keep the name, given how it could lead to confusion both in Google search results, but more importantly how it will affect communication between clients/developers.

We'll see you back here in a few months to determine whether 3.2 should be called "Ole Blue Eyes" or just... "Frank".

What, no "Legend of the Galactic Heroes?"

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