SV companies are constantly trying to get you to move back to the area after you leave.
Talent outside the bay lags behind so its not as desirable for those companies. Not to mention the valley culture is a bit guild like
Talent outside the bay lags behind so its not as desirable for those companies. Not to mention the valley culture is a bit guild like
So what you are saying instead is find a better industry to be in and better people to work for.
Ultimately though distribution of wealth as incredibly unequal as it is limits that choice substantially.
Consistently failing to make it grow mean they get the axe, which means they replace the nice, patient people with aggressive type-a folks who do what needs to be done. Rise-and-repeat over several cycles and you start to see this hardcore work culture.
The fat bonuses only reinforce it further. If you're gonna be copping six-figure bonuses you either hustle or you gtfo of the way, because there are plenty of people that would bust their ass for that chance. Again, play that cycle out over a few decades and here we are.
It's toxic as hell, but it shouldn't be surprising that it turns out this way since it's 100% structural.
Wow if ever there was a [citation needed] this is it.
Is great work done elsewhere? Of course!
But for better or for worse, the bay is where the most ambitious webdevs go righ now.
Just like I bet the best aircraft engineers are in Chicago and Bethesda because that’s where Boeing and Lockheed are.
It’s not the talent that lags behind, it’s the environment.
Especially considering what Boeing goes through right now, I would say the best aircraft engineers right now are located in Europe and they work in the Airbus headquarters.
But other than that: most recent innovative payment providers are coming mostly from Europe these days. Transferwise or Revolut comes to my mind as two such examples. Out of which Revolut reached a total valuation $1.7 billion not so long ago.
Also let's take a look at the online music streaming landscape: Tidal, Deezer and Spotify are all European companies.
There are whole industries (or segments at least) where SV is lagging behind.
So this environment argument doesn't hold any water.
Maybe there was a very narrow time period, let's say 10 years or so, when SV was really ahead of the pack in terms of technical skills, but those times are over.
And BTW, I didn't even mention machine learning and AI, where China is basically becoming the world leader right now.
k8s came from where ?
Containers ( cgroups ) came from where ?
Hashicorp is the standard for devops
Elon and Tesla took a curve out of IT but guess where they started ?
Your few startups are nice but the technology they run on is built in SV and that continues to be the place of innovation regardless of VCs trying to spark it elsewhere.
Yes other areas are innovating but SV does remain one of the most innovative area if not the main one. Everything else pales in comparison
Source: I worked there from “early” until “mid” stage.
My point is that communities form where an industry is at its peak and it’s those communities that attract top talent in that industry.
Like if you want to work at the forefront of private space industry right now you’d probably go to LA. Because that’s where SpaceX lives.
Didn't airbus have issues of their own way back? Besides, airbus bought the a220 from bombardier, which makes it canadian rather than european. which just goes to show you, the products come from where the talent exists. silicon valley is a big part of it, but not the only game in town.
saying "environment doesn't matter," is ridiculous. but I agree—there is plenty of good engineering where elsewhere, but it is more likely to exist where there is a mass of other engineers :)
It was a bit unnerving the first time it happened but you have access to so many people like that and you are around it daily.
You constantly find out about new things from your buddy over at the other company who tells you about something they are working on that is a completely new product.
Not to mention when something hits mainstream outside SV its aging in SV and soon will likely be obsolete
Example you might not know this but k8s is googles borg lite and everyone who has been around the valley has ran into someone who worked on it for years.
You simply don't have that experience outside SV...Not to mention things considered common knowledge in SV isnt common outside... eg I still have to explain to people why ITIL doesnt work with Agile DevOps ever since I left.
Do you have any interesting reading on this subject? I'd like to get some material for my heavily ITIL-aligned shop.
At least the conference they had presented this material. I might have it saved somewhere and will look around and reply if I remember