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I've done scrum for years and have very rarely had a manager involved in any of those processes, and I have certainly never had senior management involved.

Those processes exist for the benefit of the team and for the team to 'run' itself. There is no reason for management to be there. Stop doing that.

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I agree. Scrum is about self-organized teams. Managers are not part of the Scrum team, in fact, they are not allowed to speak in any of those meetings (if they choose to assist at all).

I think the main problem here is a lot of companies do this weird hybrid where Scrum processes are somewhat followed, but managers keep managing the team and sometimes even taking the role of product owner and/or scrum master as well, and that just doesn't work.

That's why sometimes you have people (like me) speeding through the daily standup so that the manager will be late...

You are talking about processes. Who did you think dictates those processes ? Why does Scrum dictate these processes have to be the same for every single team to 'run' itself ?

Based on my experience, Scrum is introduced to re-assure managers and senior management that teams are self-organised in the "right" way.

You've missed the point. I'm not talking about processes at all. I'm talking about the relationship and trust between company management and the team. That is the core problem here. If management want to play Command and Control the whole time and your team is happy to be treated like children, then no, you can't do scrum in any meaningful way, and yes it will suck.

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