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I don't think the corruption and bureaucratic incompetency in today's United States lessens the story about that in China. At least we're allowed to talk about it.

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I think US gov has done quite well by cut air traffic with China after CCP announced that there is a plague going on around Jan 2x. But the problem is the plague has gone on at least 2 months in China until that time, so even North Korean which closed its border immediately after CCP announcement now has an outbreak. Before CCP made the announcement they suppressed info as much as possible and did nothing to control the spread. Until around the Jan 2x when it can not hide it anymore. Even after this, CCP still made WHO to lower the alert level of the world. Today's situation is the sole result of CCP's wrong doings and they should do a full accounting of it in the world court.

Two months before January would be November. What source do you have saying that the outbreak started already then?

The Virologists that host the TWIV podcast cited some studies suggesting that the first cases were likely in October or November, which went undetected.

Right, got a link?

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By two months I mean until the time the CCP made public announcement around Jan 2x, relative to the reported date of first patient 2019-12-01, which is supported by CCP's own media (for eg: http://www.bjnews.com.cn/news/2020/02/23/693805.html).

A little bit off topic: for me, this first case looks very impossible to be the first one, and it further supports my theory that wuhan virus is a bio-weapon created by CCP and got leaked. That is why it is so hard to pinpoint the zero patient because CCP is hiding this info.

Officially, there's been no outbreak in North Korea.

Of course, there's no way to trust NK on this, but there's been no confirmation of cases in NK by another source (I'm discounting South Korean anti-NK propaganda as an unreliable source).

People within China are allowed to talk about it too. The story is that it was the officials in Wuhan who did the bad things and they have already all been sacked if not charged.

They are not pointing the blame at the national government nor the ideology but a regional government and corrupt individuals. Indeed the story is that the national government helped the people against the corruption.

I find it fascinating.

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