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My experience is that it is pretty easy to find a remote job as a single developer/freelancer, but a lot harder to find a decent project for a small, well-knit team. I now live in Eastern Europe (EU) and I easily find offers at EUR 450-600 / day for consulting gigs (e.g. on-site + remote work). However, I often struggle to find a project for a team of 3 Java/JavaScript/Python/PHP developers, event at rates as low as EUR 250 / day.

I guess lots of recruiters are only interested in hiring individual contractors, but not teams.

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Managers want to expand their little empires, by adding people who report to them. They're less excited about spending their precious budget on a service from an external vendor. There are exceptions, such as managers who learned that managing software development is HARD and want to outsource the headaches (with the naive hope that the outside company will do a better job).

If I hire an employee I am constrained by employee-employer regs. Those can sometimes be onerous, and the remote thing adds a few wrinkles -- are you liable in your state/province/department, or theirs?

But you also have the power, and it's far easier to plug them into your existing work structure.

Hiring a small team is effectively outsourcing a component or subsystem to a foreign coding company, the laws change -- B2B contract vs hiring -- and there are communications and workflows to deal with.

> If I hire an employee I am constrained by employee-employer regs. Those can sometimes be onerous,

Undoubtedly, but compared to hiring through an outsourced company, you do get more control over how these employees are treated, and can thus remove the risk of the operation being run as a sweat shop under your own nose, assuming that's something you wish to care about.

> -- are you liable in your state/province/department, or theirs?

In most parts of the world you should be able to set up the equivalent of an LLC in order to minimize your risk, though of course, this will mean some extra bureaucracy to deal with.

Interesting, in my experience getting a team that really works together instead of a bunch of people cobbled together with varying levels of competence and opinions on what's good is what is really puts a drag on a project.

Basically: the 10x developer is the same developer unhindered by people that build sloppy shit or broken procedures that need to be integrated.

Yes, a team is indeed more valuable than a bunch of people, but there isn't an abundance of marketplaces to sell a team. Just the usual crowd of recruiters that are looking to fill up individual positions and take their commission. Virtually all team projects that I've found so far have gone through a friend recommendation and direct contact with the customer. Never through a recruiter. If you guys know better way to market a small team of devs at EUR 250-300 day I'd be glad to hear about it.

I am currently trying to transition to remote work/consulting and was wondering can you share some details on how you find offers like that. I am also based in Eastern Europe. Do you have an email I can ping you at?

Sure. I've just send you a linkedin invitation.

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