Microsoft apparently removing ‘Offline Accounts’ for international Windows users
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22382710
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https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/222344/microsoft...
All I can point to is that every other operating system with cloud backup services has gone the same way. It’s hard to backup a local account to the cloud when it’s not synced and once synced, why force users to remember different passwords? Combining accounts does make life easier for most folks...
If the computer is connected to the network in anyway, there is absolutely no way to install with an offline account. Removing all rj45 and not connecting to the wifi until that step is passed allows to use a local account like before.
Still not a path I like to see them take
This was discussed too https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22382710
Only way is torrent. Although some once wrote here that he got his off eBay.
Edit: if someone who's more Windows-savvy than this ol' Unix nerd knows what information I ought to edit out of a screenshot so that I can safely share it, I have the screenshot, too. This "if you pay for Win 10 Pro there are no ads" crap pops up every single damn time so I took a screenshot of my laptop's untouched Win 10 Pro installation.
Edit: also, FWIW, running apt-get upgrade doesn't re-enable the ads in the MOTD :-)
Pretending to be fair and objective is not the same thing as being fair and objective.
But FWIW, Ubuntu absolutely got, and still gets, plenty of criticism for that, even here on HN.
That's not the point I'm debating. Whether I'm OK with product design choices of Microsoft is my own consumer decision. But what really is getting old, is the utterly predictable and abysmal level of discourse on this matter on HN, Reddit or wherever.
My point is, that since the Internet has learned about whataboutism, it is being used to shut down any criticism of bias. In fact, your comment uses the common formula for that "Just because A does B, doesn't mean that C can do B."
Sure, but then your actions don't really correspond to your words. If you take the amount of privacy invasion in Android, for example, HN should be loosing their collective shit on a daily basis. They don't.
This is obviously just people emotionally bashing things they have been taught are outside of their "tribe".
And that has zero credibility.
How exactly did you reach the conclusion that "my actions don't really correspond to my words" based on how HN collectively treats Android? What actions are you talking about specifically? Using Android? I don't.
An how exactly does this post:
"I'm not sure how that's relevant here. Does my post say anything about what Ubuntu does being excusable in any way?"
follow this formula:
"Just because A does B, doesn't mean that C can do B."
My original reply said nothing about anything other than Windows, and my second post hinted that I think both Canonical and Microsoft are wrong in doing this. If I followed any formula, I'm pretty sure that's "neither A nor C should be doing B", which is as far removed from whataboutism as criticizing bias is removed from astroturfing.
I wasn't talking about you, the individual. It's a disembodied, collective "you" of HN. It's a rhetorical turn of phrase.
I don't know what to say to the rest. It's pretty obvious to me. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
Also, on astroturfing:
"Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants."
????
Going along that route, there is a lot of stuff a default Linux installation bundles, that I don't personally need, so I usually have to do a custom install to have only the stuff I'm comfortable with. Throwing a fit that a product doesn't cater exactly to your particular interests is a bit entitled. You assume that most of Windows consumers don't want those things on their computer.
Really? What's the difference? When I see nice, red, highlighted text saying "Try out the new Edge browser", should I think of it as "just a suggestion"? How is it different from one saying "Try out the new Coca-Cola"?
In my experience, those links weren't intrusive, they weren't detrimental to my experience and I could get rid of them once and for all. And I'm pretty sure .LNK files don't track you if you don't call them.
So to answer your question, I draw the line at opt-out functionality.
But since you are so committed to materially correct use of words, you still have to explain your "astroturfing" comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22398478.
Great! So any idea how you can opt out? Last time I've seen one of these "suggestions" was one or two weeks ago, when I ended up with a big red "Still using Firefox? The new Edge version is here" entry in the Start menu.
Do you still mean to say that there are no ads on a legitimately-purchased Windows 10 copy, after literally writing that you, yourself, have seen at least one?
Somehow there is a pattern here, meanwhile Steam Hardware survey still shows GNU/Linux desktops at 1% on average.
Apple and Google OS might use a UNIX like kernel, but none of such users will ever realise it, unless they go for the blue pill.
I found my sister-in-law using Libre Office one day and she actually said it was nice and easy to use.
So I think people's image both of Windows and of Linux are a bit outdated.
(I'm exclusively a linux user for now, but really .. linux people can be such a pain).
Windows is a paid product, Android is not. Apart from including ridiculous ads and telemetry some of which can't be disabled, Windows seems to be taking user hosting steps every day.
Gee, I never saw people complain this way with Solitaire, Mineswepper, GNOME Games Suit, or the dump of floppies they would get on their Atari/Amiga/PC bundles.
Strange. Especially as those didn't actively run analytics when you run them. Perhaps those two situations aren't completely comparable.
And also, how would a link to the store track and analyse you?
(I didn't say anything about tracking, but there's plenty of that in Windows already. There are settings, enabled by default, to let Microsoft track every application you launch and every website you visit.)
My issue with MS's forced use of online account is that there's zero merit for doing so.
I don't use the store or any store app. I don't use OneDrive, nor need to sync settings, word, app states...
It doesn't make my device more secure. Instead created more attack surface for my devices. All devices connected to one account can are owned once someone takes over my email.
But I do like using PIN instead of passwords. There's no valid technical reason why offline accounts can't use PIN but it is what it is. So, so I end up signing in.
For Windows phone, it made sense to save my phone contacts online, and to use find my phone.
Once Cortana got into the picture though they started messing up with stuff that worked fine to force Cortana on me.
So stuff like quiet mode no longer worked without Cortana. And no longer worked offline.
If there are clear Advantages to users more people will use Microsoft account.
I guess the manufacturer could have opted for that type of lock-in as well with their images, but seeing Android One is a near-stock as-is OS I don't know if by default Android forces you to log in and phone manufacturers remove that type of enforcement.
I ended up helping him getting a LG G6 and for his usage it's more than enough power for him. (plus cheap in 2019 when I bought it) All problems solved. Not sure what went wrong with his phone but I couldn't even do anything with the recovery mode and resetting to factory.
I'm not a fan of Alcatel.... or Blu. But translating what you just told me to not just my parents but all older folks is.... not an easy task. It's met with apathy.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19449824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825
Manufacturers are still allowed to install apps that are "necessary for [special] hardware functions", and include spyware in them.
I even disabled google play services and play store all together. Root with magisk method.
OutOfTopic: At work, I develop an app using Angular+Cordova webview, but it couldn't work on my Mi A3, always crashing like another local banking app I have (which I have uninstalled anyway). The Play store, before disabling, also black screen at google signing in page, unless I have already signed in before rooting with Magisk. Lol I wonder why it is so buggy. Should go with TWRP SuperSU root, but whatever, the A/B partition method uses up a lot of storage as well (I think)
I am thinking next time buying a Lineage OS compatible android phone to use. Android 10 is not reaching all the MI A1, A2, A3 phones at all, with Android 11 coming up already.