Twitter is suspending pro-Bloomberg accounts, citing ‘platform manipulation’
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Accusations of paid shills have been thrown around so freely on the Internet, it's refreshing to have actual textbook examples for once!
This is really scary because it means that if somehow billionaires and companies that received assistance from Quantitative Easing decided to spend their wealth, it would cause considerable inflation.
Quantitative easing has literally zero to do with what you're proposing, the amount of money infused was pretty small compared to the size of our economy (arguably way too little), and the rest of us would've been even more fucked had it not happened.
Correlating QE to billionaire spending and inflation is like correlating how much change you find in your couch to your maximum potential earnings. It doesn't make sense.
And don't get me wrong, I totally hate Bloomberg and I know he has literally zero business being president. I'm not shilling for him, he's a piece of crap, don't vote for him...
I just really fucking hate it when people say things that sound "right" or even "informed" about economics that aren't because the whole science gets shit on daily by people who have no business talking about it without stating "I know nothing" before posting. If you don't make posts on physics theories don't make them about economics; it's actually even more hurtful because getting through the misinformation is harder and more prone to error.
Edit: to be clear, we essentially bailed out the banks with absolutely no repercussions except to the working class through deflated bonds and interest rates.
Here's the Gini coefficient from 2000 until now for the USA; which, measures income inequality:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219643/gini-coefficient-...
It was anything but a disastrous policy, it was a disaster mitigating policy... it was one completely underfunded by any sane measure, but did mitigate disaster.
Yeah, the banks got bailed out and no one got tried. Those two things are completely independent of each other. One has to do with economic policy and the other one is with governmental policy.
Don't blame the bailout because the motherfuckers didn't go to jail.
Look at capital gains vs savings rates over the last 12 and cry. Then look at pension funds debts.
Finally, the Gini coefficient did go up from the highest of all first world countries to the highest by a significant amount.
The bailout wasn’t the problem. There was no punishment, yes, and QE was a hands down unmitigated robbery and the major factor in the populist upswings around the world.
Here’s a good one:
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2018/08/homeownership...
Of course you have to correlate it. Do you know what QE was? Without QE fixing the balance sheets of the banking system and low interest rates, we'd most likely be facing major deflation. Without QE and low interest, bloomberg's net worth would be much smaller and that most definitely would affect his spending.
> it's actually even more hurtful because getting through the misinformation is harder and more prone to error.
The fact that you correlated economics to physics/science makes it difficult to take your argument seriously.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/10/17/eid-economics-...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/11/nobel-...
At best you can argue that economics is a pseudo/soft science like political science than a real/hard science like physics.
You linked to absolute bullshit.
Dody T. Eid is a fucking nobdoy. Straight up just some jackass who has no background in economics writing very conservative op-eds. Next up is Joris, who let me quote the wikipedia block from google: "[..] is a Dutch non-fiction author, anthropologist, news correspondent, and TV interviewer. Wikipedia"
You can credit my Economics background for my astute bullshit detector.
> Of course you have to correlate it. Do you know what QE was? Without QE fixing the balance sheets of the banking system and low interest rates, we'd most likely be facing major deflation. Without QE and low interest, bloomberg's net worth would be much smaller and that most definitely would affect his spending.
Yeah, great idea deflation, that's how the great depression happened because the government at the time and federal bank said "piss off wankers." It triggers a deflationary spiral, which stops spending, and causes economic collapse, here's a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation#Deflationary_spiral
It's safe to say it's you, friend, who does not know anything about QE, economic history, theory, or its application.
FWIW, I hate Milton Friedman and think he was an asshole who had an enormous amount of bullshit ideological driven policies that strayed far from the science, but god damn he hit the nail on the monetary policy preventing the great depression... which is exactly what happened in 2008/9 by the FED holding interest rates low or negative.
I do like Keynes mostly, but unfortunately, because a lot of America has no idea about how economics works, especially on a macro scale, we didn't get the "new deal." We should have we got "the shitty deal," which was no investment infrastructure.
Is that because of all the bullshit in economics gave you ample practice in detecting bullshit? Well be patient with me because my limited economics background most likely pales in comparison to yours.
> Yeah, great idea deflation
I didn't say deflation is great. You are reading into things too much. I just said QE and low interest rates had an impact on inflation. Something which you cavalierly dismissed. I said QE and low interest rates prevented deflation.
> It's safe to say it's you, friend, who does not know anything about QE, economic history, theory, or its application.
All you've provided are just ad hominems and just cnbc talking points with nonpertinent rants on the side. Everything you disagree with is "bullshit" and everything you say is "gospel". Typical economics background behavior.
For someone "with an economics background", you would know how it has so many "gurus" and so much unsettled "science" in it. How one nobel prize winning economist could say the world economy is going to collapse after the previous election and another can say it will be great and economics couldn't settle the issue either way.
But then again, this comment thread is precisely why I view economics as a religion rather than a science. Where people make up shit that aligns with their agenda and worship their prophets ( Keynes, Marx, etc ). Sometimes it's hard to differentiate between a religious zealot and someone with "an economics background".
In reply to this:
>> I rely on Matt Levine to explain, more clearly than I could, how brokerages make money
You wrote:
> You rely on someone who never worked for a brokerage to teach you how brokerages worked?
Maybe you should really think that through in the context of economics.
You are invested in this. That's the type of religious zeal I'm talking about.
> Maybe you should really think that through in the context of economics.
Only if economics worked like brokerages work.
The fact that you have to go "3 days back into comment history" rather than using the "science" in economics to support your argument should tell you something. That's the difference between religion, economics, political science, etc and physics, chemistry, astronomy, etc. One responds with straw man and red herrings, the other responds with actual science and facts.
Or maybe people should just stop relying on Tw/Fb/etc for their news.
That is assuming they appear to not be organized and paid...
Are these volunteers or are they being paid?
Unfortunately the Chinese government can and will censor posts on these feeds, which is made super easy by how slow things usually spread on that platform - but that’s a different issue entirely. I’m not advocating literally switching to WeChat - just that the concept feels at once far more “social” and rather less prone to certain kinds of manipulation.
I only see:
- Things posted by who I follow
- Things retweeted by who I follow
- Things liked by who I follow (I think I don't actually see this in TweetDeck)
The other part of campaigns like this is replying to major accounts to push something, so you'd have to have your "anti-viral" timeline hide replies that weren't endorsed by people you don't follow. That is, if friend A retweeted something by a famous politician, and a thousand people replied including none of your friends, and friend B liked one of those replies, only that one reply would show up for you if you looked at the tweet. Again, I suspect this is bad for engagement (so I'm wondering if WeChat actually does this?).
The closest thing to trending is that you notice that a bunch of your friends are all posting about similar stuff. Like when Li Wenliang, the whistleblower-doctor in Wuhan, died, or when everyone bored at home in quarantine was posting photos of brooms balanced to stand on end.
I personally prefer a model that makes it impossible for me to see Nazis arguing about an article posted by my grandma.
> this model tends to separate social from news.
i hadn't realised how much the two had become intertwined. FB, twitter etc all started off as interacting with your friends then drifted very far from that.
They should be separate.
That’s probably possible for two reasons. First, the app’s principal designer maintains Steve Jobs-level creative control on the product. Second, as a sibling pointed out, Wechat primarily makes money from other stuff besides posts going viral﹡.
There’s not even a “repost” feature. You literally have to open the article, copy the URL, and create an entirely new post on your timeline. It cuts down on low effort sharing (of course, if you’re the government, you like this because it also slows the spread of so-called “improper information”)
Facebook died for me when it became possible for me to see Nazis arguing in the comments of an article my grandma posted. I mean what the fuck, how did we ever get there.
﹡ which unfortunately involves vacuuming up as much data about every aspect of everyone’s life as possible. It’s impossible to understate how pervasive Wechat is: if you only have this app and no other, you can still live very comfortably here.
Give it another 10 years and, at least here in Europe, we will have the first countries copying the "social points" system China is currently rolling out.
Not sure what to do about it.
> Today, in the West, we call that "fake news", and limit its spread too.
We say/use "civility" or "western values" to censor, attack, etc. The chinese use "harmony", "chinese characteristics", etc to censor, attack, etc.
We shame the chinese and demand they treat muslims better while killing millions of muslims and destroying a few muslim countries. The chinese shame the west and demand we treat muslims better while interning millions of muslims.
Too bad hypocrisy isn't a currency or we'd all be rich and living large.
The highly decentralized, mostly non-computerized western social shaming that existed for decades for certain social beliefs and practices, which to some extent still exists in certain limited contexts was in no meaningful way comparable to a systematic, almost entirely centralized government-directed formal social credit scoring system that dictates one's "worthiness" and so many aspects of their social life, economic life and literal freedom to move around based on what political opinions they publish, who they're friends with, what things they read, share on social media or even what things they buy. Comparing the two is ridiculous. It's either blatantly blind or you're trolling for some other reason. No western state has anything like this. No notable number of people in the west are literally ruined economically or banned from travel, or the victims of their friends being nudged by the government into abandoning them because they posted something against Trump, or against Obama or in any other context. Very public, very open debate and protest against numerous government policies is still very much alive and well in the west. In China this is blatantly not the case.
Ah "false equivalence". It gets me every time because at this point it's so obvious. A talking point by people who don't know what it means.
> The highly decentralized, mostly non-computerized western social shaming that existed for decades for certain social beliefs and practices
Highly decentralized? FBI background checks are decentralized? Credit checks are highly decentralized? If you think "the west" is decentralized, you really have bought into the propaganda hard. Let me guess you think "the west" is individualistic while the east is "collectivist".
> No notable number of people in the west are literally ruined economically or banned from travel, or the victims of their friends being nudged by the government into abandoning them because they posted something against Trump, or against Obama or in any other context.
And notable number of people in china have been? Or is it just parroting propaganda you just choose to believe in.
> Comparing the two is ridiculous.
Only to people with an agenda.
> It's either blatantly blind or you're trolling for some other reason.
This is called a false dichotomy with a dash of ad hominem.
> In China this is blatantly not the case.
The hong kong protests don't happen? How come there are so many protests in china?
https://www.economist.com/china/2018/10/04/why-protests-are-...
Just because they aren't identical doesn't mean they aren't comparable. Just because one is bad doesn't mean the other is good. You can cherrypick nonsense to fit an agenda or just look at the obvious objectively.
Novel? What?
The practice has been around a really long time, and it has been around on the internet long enough that the term "astroturfing" was coined decades ago. And the term "paid shill" has been around longer than that. Today it's very common in several places including Amazon product reviews and political discussions.
Wikipedia gives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#History_of_incide...) an example from way back: 'an early example of the practice was in Act 1, Scene 2 of Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar. In the play, Cassius writes fake letters from "the public" to convince Brutus to assassinate Caesar.'
I'm not a big fan of the practice (it involves ulterior motives), but the most unique thing I see about this is they did a clumsy job of it.
The mere existence of a few private campaigns of the sort doen't diminish how much of a departure this is with what has previously been considered acceptable in the political realm.
If we assume that the widespread every-politician-is-corrupt cynicism goes along with/is rooted in a wish to see less corruption, you are also applying rather harmful tactics: by claiming everyone plays dirty, any differences between the candidates are erased, and so are any incentives to behave ethically. The cynicism is self-fulfilling: politicians only ever getting superficial accusations with no discernable relation to their actual behaviour will soon stop trying, because why bother?
So that's the new first step for the next billionaire (or fake one) who wants to be president: buy a significant share of Twitter.
Chilling, huh?
Sadly, it is indeed definitely a good move to make friends with whoever decides what goes on social networks.
Paying people to publish your message is part of normal political campaigning.
You are ultimately correct, even if downvoted.
paying people to tweet nice things about you as if it's just because they like you is dishonest.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/instagra...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/mike-bloo...
The entire message is often ironic, so other nonsponsored people are also using (yes this was really sponsored by @mikebloomberg) in their posts to make fun of Bloomberg, so although everyone is disclosing they're being paid, you don't actually know if someone is being paid or not.
so it's pretty easy to distinguish who's using that disclosure honestly.
As, in fact, we already do, this is just a hack around the way those laws are applied.
I for one am glad this talking point is being finally put to rest.
You’re analogy to Hillary also doesn’t hold much water because his intent is not to become president, but to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination, or, if he does keep Trump in power by poisoning the well in the primaries.
That’s not surprising. The Democratic Party as currently constructed is a third-way coalition including traditional progressives, labor, neo-liberals, and minorities. Sanders might have a plurality of the support in the party, but he threatens to blow up that coalition.
A successful Presidential candidate has to win 95% of their own party. But only 76% of Democrats say that they would vote for a socialist: https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-politi.... A successful Presidential candidate has to evenly split independents—who comprise 30% of the electorate—with the other party’s candidate. But independents’ views of socialism are much closer to those of Republicans than to those of Democrats: https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-.... Any successful democratic candidate must win super-majorities of non-white people (90% of African Americans, and 75% of Hispanics and Asians.) But just 33% of non whites have a favorable view of socialism.
Bloomberg isn’t “buying” the support of “media outlets, think tanks, and state party leaders.” These are the people who established the third way coalition after devastating losses in the 1980s. These people are already looking for an alternative to Sanders. Bloomberg’s money is just getting his candidacy out there to help coalesce the “not Sanders” majority of the party.
"Never Trump" seemed to be a bipartisan certainty and we all know how that went.
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/13/1950/1919/Topli...
Leads with Latino voters, is first or second with African American voters, depending on the polling, and is literally the most popular senator in the country:
https://morningconsult.com/senator-rankings/
You’re supposition that there’s going to be some outbreak of pearl clutching about “socialism” is about as plausible that Bloomberg isn’t buying the election.
That’s why I’m pointing to the polling for socialism. My projection is that Trump will be very effective at making the election a referendum on socialism. It’s going to be wall to wall ads of Sanders’ praise of the USSR, Venezuela, etc. When that starts, I think Sanders’ poll numbers are going to collapse.
I think Sanders will have an uphill battle against Trump (as would any of the primary candidates), but the Democrats are guaranteed to lose if he wins a plurality, they broker the convention, pick someone else, and disenfranchise Sanders’ massive base of support. And that is the documented outcome Bloomberg is pursuing:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/20/bloomberg-brokered-...
I think pg has talked about this before too, one of great tests has been "is this person charismatic?" And further, that charismatic, assertive personalities can do wonders in changing and winning people's minds. No doubt Hillary would have won had she been more likable (or a man, America is still lagging behind when it comes to having a woman in charge). Sanders is more charismatic than Trump so he'll probably win, whatever the labels.
But what would the charisma test say about Trump vs. Sanders? I hadn't thought about that one. If it's Trump vs. Bloomberg, that's as much a no-brainer as last time. But Trump vs. Sanders? Not so clear. You say Sanders is more charismatic than Trump, but many people would disagree. In an all-American context, I think Trump is probably more charismatic than Sanders, though by a smaller margin than with Hillary or Bloomberg. To really decide that, though, we'd have to get into definitions of charisma.
Lichtman's system is interesting since, like pg's theory, it depends on fundamentals and ignores polls. Lichtman also includes charisma as one of his keys. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/12/th.... A quick look at his "13 keys" list suggests to me that Lichtman will probably predict a Trump win this year (even though he despises Trump), whether or not the challenger is charismatic. That's mostly because of economic indicators. If those change, the prediction probably changes. It will be interesting to see how Lichtman interprets his list this year.
You're also referencing polls on who would vote for a Democratic socialist, while ignoring polls of who would vote for Sanders specifically, overall approval ratings of Sanders (consistently near the top for any politician in the country), and head-to-head polls of Sanders vs. Trump.
It's pretty clear that you're just cherrypicking to fit a narrative. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't pretend it's supported by data in any sort of definitive way when that's plainly not the case.
Matchups against Trump this far out are not helpful. In the months before the nomination, Clinton had up to a 10 point lead on Trump. That closed significantly once the campaigning started. The nomination is when the rubber hits the road. That’s when the attack ads will start, going into Sanders’ lengthy record of anti-Amrrican, communist sympathizing statements. That’s not baked into the poll numbers for Sanders yet. (Meanwhile, all of Trump’s bad statements are already baked into his poll numbers.)
He's also winning handily in national head-to-head polls vs. others in the primary, which seem a lot more relevant to me than Iowa caucus realignment numbers: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
"Matchups against Trump this far out are not helpful."
Ah, so we can base all kinds of conclusions on a poll asking "would you vote for a Democratic socialist?", but one taken at the same time asking "would you vote for Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump?" is not helpful? :-/
* https://medium.com/@CitationsPodcst/episode-69-the-rise-of-t...
For the majority of the party, Sanders is neither their first or second choice: https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-passes-joe-biden-top... (22% support him as the first choice, another 10% say he’s their second choice).
This isn’t rocket science. It’s literally why ranked choice voting was invented.
The poster I'm replying to often sneaks lies into his wall-of-text posts when he thinks no one will notice or call him on it.
Apart from that, the movement in vote total between the first and second rounds combines two effects, but we’re interested in just one of those. Your analysis of the second round data marks a positive count for a candidate where someone moves to that candidate in the second round from a candidate that didn’t hit the 15% threshold in the first round. (That’s the only way for someone to switch.) But it also marks a negative count where a candidate doesn’t meet the 15% threshold in a precinct and his or her supporters have to move to another candidate. We don’t really care about that second effect, because that just measures whether a candidate is able to consistently get above 15%.
What we want to predict is, as you knock out Biden, Warren, etc., where do their supporters go? You can find that out directly from the released caucus data, by looking at where supporters of those candidates go in precincts where those candidates don’t hit the 15% threshold. Most of those supporters don’t go to Bernie, which means Bernie is not their first choice or their second choice.
Polling backs that up: https://civiqs.com/documents/Civiqs_ISU_banner_book_2020_01_.... Right before the Iowa caucuses, Sanders was the first or second choice of 37% of eligible Iowa primary voters. That means for 2/3 of the party, Sanders was neither the first nor the second choice.
People floated this theory about Trump, 4 years ago. But let's be honest: if bloomberg, or any other billionaire, has an opportunity to seize ever-unchecked control over the richest nation in the world, can you honestly expect them to flinch at taking power and using it to their direct enrichment?
Frankly I see him as a stalking horse for Trump, a research project to see how Dems are strategizing against rich, ego-bound, New York jackasses. Rich people are bound to each other before they are bound to politics, choosing a party is just a matter of personal quirks. They got theirs, the rest is just scorekeeping and princely follies. You can bet Mark Zuckerberg is paying attention, though. He's definitely going to be bored enough to stick a plank out in 5-10 years or so.
I would say sometimes it wins, sometimes it loses. You're not making a strong argument just by pointing to Hillary Clinton. She was already a known entity, how much marketing can really redefine 2 decades in the public eye?
"We have made this decision based on our belief that political message reach should be earned, not bought. "
https://business.twitter.com/en/help/ads-policies/prohibited...
This is complete bullshit: paid professional campaigning has always existed and is used by everybody.
1) By ‘always’ you mean since Twitter was founded
2) By ‘is used by everybody’ you mean it was done using backroom deals and that bought support was quietly and as organically appearing as possible put on the platform
Bloomberg broke the first rule of SV politics, i.e. don’t get us caught in the middle, or exposed to liability, (otherwise known as plausible deniability). If Bloomberg had done this quietly and it was just a rumor Twitter would have given him a pass. But his team seems to have decided the bill in a china shop approach was their best bet.
But it is getting him press coverage so maybe a win anyway.
Why does it seem like most "conservative" foot soldiers these days are diametrically opposed wrt. those two sides of "conservatism", favoring the aspect that doesn't actually have anything to do with the economic health of our nation?
This is fraud in the sense that it creates fake wave. Being a genuine supporter is one thing and being a supporter because you are paid to be so is another.
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/ftc...
I am honestly curious because there are countries with more impactful and tangible geopolitical interests (e.g. Saudi Arabia - who owns a substantial portion of Twitter), and yet it's only the comic-book villain, Putin's Russia who apparently does this.
The other alternative is that Russia does this, but so ineffectively that they stand out, but that seems unlikely because it would also imply that other countries do it so effectively that no one notices.
The third alternative I can think of is that interested parties are okay with the direction in which some foreign powers want to sway American public opinion. Those interested parties control the mainstream media - or enough of it - to be able to decide which countries' bots get reported on and which get ignored. Honestly it's this option that I find exponentially more likely.
Also, I'm fairly certain that "let's influence the US public" is such a large undertaking that most small countries won't even attempt it. And you need to be strong enough to not get bombed if it becomes public, that narrows down the pool of countries a lot, so it's basically only Russia and China, possibly India (but they are allies), everyone else is either too small or too weak (ignoring Europe, they are much too close to the US).
Smaller / weaker countries might try to just buy influence, like Saudi Arabia, by hiring a PC agency and printing fancy brochures, or using lobbyists.
And, yes, of course all other countries do that. And of course it would be silly to say that "nobody notices".
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/opinion/was-lenin-a-germa...
Anyway, it's a fallacy to think that Russia would be fine without the Revolution. Peaceful transitions to liberal democracy are an exception that only happen on very particular cases.
Albeit it took longer and it was "gradual" but few of them had the hyper-violent post "vanguard" revolutions events that resulted in some of the worst tragedies in history?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge (note famous french liberal Jean-Paul Sartre attempted to cover up news of this event in the west because he thought it would hurt the spread the revolution to the global "politeriat")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
Almost all violent revolutions have resulted in a stain on world history. Yet the (less news worthy) numbers who gradually adopted independent courts and shifted from monarchy to republican/parliamentary power are much higher, and none of them had awful mass murders of people whose ideas weren't "in line" with the revolutionary ideology, not long after the revolutions.
These activities aren't what makes Putin's Russia a villain. They're just cited as more evidence in a book that was written long ago. How many dissidents have been murdered by the Kremlin?
Also, there's that whole thing about how Russian intelligence phished and leaked the email of a US presidential campaign manager. But that's only bad if you didn't win, apparently.
I’m with you, if it’s as comically easy to undermine American elections as has been reported (just takes a few hundred thousand bucks worth of Facebook ads), it’s only logical to assume that China or literally any other country with an axe to grind is doing the same thing as Russia.
But to answer the question, Russia is a great scapegoat (as apparently the only country in the world engaging in disinformation campaigns) because the villains are white. If you were to accuse, say, China of doing what Russia is doing (which let’s face it, they probably are), the argument could instantly be shot down with “that’s racist.”
The West did this type of thing, but sucked at it — western powers usually backed traditional or incumbent people in power, and usually for a more specific purpose.
What these guys do now is just push narratives of fringe or divisive people, with or without cooperation or knowledge of the principals. The goal is chaos. Normal, more effective political figures Having oddballs like Trump, Jill Stein, Sanders, etc in positions of fleeting or lasting prominence happens when messages get magnified and legitimized.
Despite the fact that Dang explicitly tells users that this user is involved in some kind of multi-year pro Google campaign, there are dozens of posts protesting that the very concept of a thing could ever exist.
If nothing else, Bloomberg's ad budget is a solid experiment for the impact of ad budgets on elections. I don't know how much of the transparency that seems to exist around what Bloomberg is doing is normal for campaigns, but that is also a plus.
At this point I think anyone telling me to vote for Bloomberg received a check from him. It’s not true always of course, but it’s the first thing that pops into my head.
There's likely a bit of both. Would Bloomberg pay $2500 per month for simple copy & paste jobs? Doubtful, I'm sure he has better media people that know they could get that for tiny fraction of the price. There may be pro-Bloomberg paid posting while somebody also pays for dumb multiplication bots to spread a message (or false flag it).
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jon...
But what's interesting is what this portends for the coming campaign. Will Twitter, Facebook and Instagram be suspending all accounts that post ~duplicative political content? And if their policies vary by candidate, will that be firm evidence of bias?
This is going to make 2016 look like 2012, I suspect.
The OP’s hero image caption states:
> Twitter says duplicative messages violate its policy against platform manipulation and spam
Does this mean people should start to worry about clicking share buttons now? It is hardly bot activity to use a feature of the platform. Everyone who clicks a share button by default is tweeting the same message.
no link, and replies to another tweet. definitely not clicking a share button, just a bunch of people posting the exact same thing.
and even if it was the share button, twitter isn't banning based on single posts, they're banning on patterns. if 70+ accounts all clicked the same share button on the same 15 articles in a day, that'd probably trigger their bot-like behaviour detectors too, even though it's a "platform feature"
If they're getting paid to, then I certainly hope so.
Everyone with a monetary interest in Twitter should be ashamed of themselves — shareholders, employees, etc. they are all “people” without a moral compass. Or rather, the compass exists, but it just points to money.
[1] does anyone know if he manages the account?
Sounds like retweeting should also be banned under this policy. But that would require some semblance of continuity and fairness in policy enforcement.
The closest is: Twitter said the campaign violated its rules against “creating multiple accounts to post duplicative content,”
I couldn't use normal view to read the page without agreeing to the ToS so I switched to Firefox's reader view. That doesn't include the image.
My reading is that the caption (which I can read by view-source) is a second-hand interpretation of Twitter's statements. I think the direct Twitter quote, which I copied earlier, is more relevant, and addresses vinniejames's concerns about retweets.
I don't believe that caption text correctly reflect Twitter's quoted response, which I quoted, and which I believe clarifies your question.
If I go to an empty lot and I put up 50 Mike yard signs, what’s the difference between that and a bot that makes 50 Mike tweets?
On the other hand, if every second house in a large area suddenly sprouted a sign for a candidate, you might rightly interpret that as strong support. Having 10,000 likes on a post is akin to this latter scenario - showing that there’s a whole lot of “actual people” who are on the bandwagon.
Signs don't just grow naturally out of the ground. Someone had to make them and put them there. And those signs aren't there to decarate yards. They're there to convince passerbys that a lot of people support a particular candidate.
If 100 different Twitter accounts all weigh in on a thread, arguing for one side, but they are all secretly controlled by one person, that creates a false picture of widespread support for that person’s stance.
It’s true that traditional advertising has always been used to create artificial buzz around candidates, and this is often a bit manipulative. But creating a crowd of fake supporters, with fake photos and bios, and deploying them in conversations with unsuspecting real humans, is a whole different level of manipulation.
Paid celebrity endorsements on TV like we see for products are the same. I don’t know if you can legally do that for campaigns, but you could definitely hire them to the staff as a surrogate (any rules against doing so at an inflated rate)?
If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), the entire premise of Democracy is incompatible with modern technology. We could keep trying to bandage it with "fake news filters", but at some point we will need to admit defeat on that front and start fiddling with suffrage rather than fiddling with free speech.
If you disagree with Twitter's policy here, then that's a separate question, but here's my (I think, uncontroversial) opinion on that: Banning the automatic creation and puppeteering of masses of fake people seems like a pretty good policy along a number of dimensions - especially just for keeping authentic users from leaving your platform.
We have laws to protect consumers against the latter. Why should advertising in politics be held to different standards?
Because you're viewing it as solely advertising, you're missing it.
If you go out and buy a newspaper, and direct them to publish only favourable articles about certain people, you begin to run into problems. Like laws that govern bias and fairness.
Because this isn't advertisement - this is where people, rightly or wrongly, are going to get their information.
>This is someone trying to buy an election and circumvent democracy
The only differences between Bloomberg's behavior and that of a typical candidate are that Bloomberg is a late comer and he isn't beholden to donor interests - that doesn't mean he can't represent the people (not saying he can either).
If anything this is dangerous on the part of Twitter because now it's approaching publisher territory where it chooses which bots are allowable and which campaign bots are not. Twitter deciding the outcome of an election is far less democratic than a bunch of people possibly being swayed to vote for a candidate because of advertising. You can't apply different standards to a campaign you don't like - that's partisan and undemocratic. Buying ads is not.
Then it is absolutely unclear what Twitter and other web companies are, or should be. There is a lot of moderating, banning and rule setting going on and these platforms are currently absolutely not "infrastructure". I hope that in the end we'll have something that brings people together and makes everyone better informed.
Semantically accurate
>Sensationalized because it's connected to someone special
It can be spam and it can be spam from 70 pro-Bloomberg accounts at the same time. I don't understand what's sensationalized about that.
"We ask that all of our deputy field organizers identify themselves as working on behalf of the Mike Bloomberg 2020 campaign on their social media accounts."
Basically it's marketing. Every other campaign does run marketing and there are going to be some employees devoted to that, but I don't think we have any reports of hundreds of paid employees. Even Russian troll farms are opaque in their hiring practices.
edits: Shareblue has changed to https://americanindependent.com/ it appears. Mainly anti-trump. Can't see any specific pro-bernie content.
Nor will you - Clinton camp (and most of the establishment) is very anti-Bernie.
"Russia" has absolutely no power compared to the implications of this
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/
Money doesn't mean automatic votes unless people agree with your message at least some.
Also, Russia had very little impact in 2016 election (if you have proof otherwise, I'd love to see it). It did make much of the media and Washington go crazy for a couple years, but that seemed just an amplification of Russia's attempt to mess with things.
The 2016 election margin was very slim. A great number of factors could plausibly have made the difference. Russian social media manipulation is likely within that margin. Russia's hack of the DNC is definitely within that margin.
I don't think the contents of the hack had much impact, but the act of it and the investigation had one.
Clinton spent twice as much on her campaign, and adding in pro-Clinton PACs spending on her behalf was three times as much. If money was as important as people say, it should never have been close enough for Russian media manipulation to matter.
But if you really believe money isn't very important, you'll have to explain why successful candidates all spend a great deal of time raising money. And then keep on doing so despite the clear advantages of incumbency.